Homosexuality Has No Genetic Cause

BARBWIRE.com ^ | Septemer 4, 2014 | Jonathon Moseley

[Moseley]

There are genetic predispositions to mental illness. So if homosexual tendencies are some form of mental illness, wouldn’t it be possible that there are genetic predispositions to homosexuality? Just like genetic reasons for an increased risk of schizophrenia?

No, because sexuality directly affects reproduction.

Reproduction is the means by which genetic predispositions last longer than 1 generation. Otherwise, the genetic predisposition dies out when the carrier dies.

Sexuality is not some random factor like eye color.

Sexuality is the one and only engine by which genes are passed on from parents to children.

[Moseley]

Genetically it’s going to be the same as all other Mental Illness.

No, it is not, because sexuality is the engine of reproduction.

Sexuality is different because it is the mechanism by which genes are passed on from one generation to the next.

A reduced desire for reproductive (heterosexual) sex directly results in the extinction of any genetic basis for that reduced desire.

[Moseley]

""I’m of the opinion that gestational conditions contribute." Epigenetic….a plausible theory. Assumedly some lesser affected version of what causes hermaphrodites and overly feminine boys or masculine girls.

But then homosexuality must be classified as an abnormality, right? It is a disease or deformity, is it not?

[Moseley]

People with genetic defects fail to procreate all the time and yet those defects continue for thousands of years.

You fail to understand what we are talking about.

Homosexuality is -- by definition -- a reduced desire or no desire for reproductive / heterosexual sex.

By definition, homosexuals will have fewer children than heterosexuals. By definition, the genes of homosexuals will die out. That's simple evolution.

[Moseley]

There was a family in my hometown that had a set of identical twin boys. These boys were raised from birth in a Christian home. Mother and Father are still married to this day. The family went to the same church as my family and I was around these twin boys frequently. It was apparent from my earliest awareness that one of the boys was a boy in every sense I was and the other was quite effeminate. In addition to effeminate behaviors, he had physical features that were more feminine like musculature, facial bones, etc. Long story short, this experience has led me to believe there is something genetic or gestational that leads to homosexuality. Guess no one knows for sure, thus the ongoing debate.

If they were identical twins, then they had exactly the same genetic DNA.

[moehoward]

It would be at least a birth defect akin to the result of a fetus being exposed to a chemical. Crack babies for example.

Bottom line, once you look at it as a ‘defect’, the natural course would be to correct it. The pro-LBGT groups are hard at work to make sure that does not happen. Outlawing corrective psycho-therapy and prenatal tests that indicate that defective development.

[Vigilanteman]

Exactly. Some of their fellow travelers may actually be genuinely decent and compassionate people because they don't understand the true ideology. Sort of like the elusive “Moderate Muslim.”

[ConstantSkeptic]

By definition, homosexuals will have fewer children than heterosexuals. By definition, the genes of homosexuals will die out. That's simple evolution.

Children with the inherited disease of Tay-Sachs die before puberty. Like homosexuals, they have fewer children than people without Tay-Sachs disease. (Actually, they have no children.) So why hasn't that gene died out?

[Albion Wilde]

Since we hear references to homosexuality 3,000 to 3,500 years ago, today there should be no homosexuals anywhere on planet Earth... if there were a genetic basis for it.

Apparently a lot of gays and lesbians haven't followed your abstract rules. Life is messy. Many people are idiots.

[Moseley]

Children with the inherited disease of Tay-Sachs die before puberty.

Some do. Not all.

Like homosexuals, they have fewer children than people without Tay-Sachs disease. (Actually, they have no children.) So why hasn't that gene died out?

Well, then, evolution is false, isn't it? The very concept -- the definition -- of evolution as an explanation of both the origin of life and the development of life forms is that adaptive genes will prevail and maladaptive genes die out.

If you don't have that, you don't have evolution. Period.

If maladapative genes do not die out, then evolution is false. Correct?

So, to start with, we agree that evolution is absolutely false and is a hoax perpetrated upon mankind. Agreed?

But....

1) Tay-Sachs Disease -- unlike homosexuality -- shows a distinct geographic distribution. "The most striking disparate pattern was the geographic distribution of the two primary Tay-Sachs disease mutations, with the first being more common in central Europe (and likely older) and the second being exclusive to eastern Europe (primarily Lithuania and Russia) (and likely much younger). "

That is, a genetic mutation ORIGINATES at a particular place and time. It does not fall off the sky.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180346/

For a variation to have a genetic basis it must * S T A R T * somewhere. This is another respect in which liberal activists are ignorant of silence and ignorant of evolution.

With Tay-Sachs disease, it is concentrated in a specific geographic region of the Earth (or at least the populations from that region.

If homosexuality had a genetic basis, it would similarly be concentrated in the region of the Earth where the genetic anomaly originated.

2) Similarly, Tay-Sachs Disease appears concentrated among Ashkenazi Jews.

So the ethnic group in which it first originated still shows the high concentration of the genetic anomaly in the group where it started.

By contrast, we see no such concentration of homosexuality in either one ethnic group nor one region of the planet geographically.

3) The analysis of Ty-Sachs Disease also shows distinct CHANGES about 500 years ago and 1100 years ago.

We see alterations in the genetic distribution and frequency of Ty-Sachs Disease, even just 500 years ago.

By contrast, we see no such variation over time with homosexuality, because it is a developmental disorder, with no genetic basis.

4) Tay Sachs Disease is "extremely rare"

5) "Getting genetic counseling is highly recommended for Tay-Sachs patients who are planning to get married or considering becoming parent."

http://www.taysachsdisease.com/

People do have children even though they are Tay-Sachs patients.

6) "Tay-Sachs is a serious condition that can be diagnosed in people of all ages."

7) "baby, inherits two copies of genes, one from each parent. When both of these are defective genes, they lead to the mutation which causes Tay-Sachs disease. So, mutations in the HEXA gene cause Tay-Sachs disease. The mutated gens carried by both parents show no signs or symptoms of the disease. This is why commonly parents have no idea that their baby may inherit them and consequently develop this deadly disease."

[Moseley]

Apparently a lot of gays and lesbians haven't followed your abstract rules.

The abstract rules are the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution requires that homosexuality must be extinct by now -- if homosexuality is genetically based.

Therefore....

Homosexuality is NOT genetically based.

Homosexuality is uniform -- at a very, very low frequency -- throughout time, throughout geographic regions, throughout all ethnic groups...

... because it is development, not genetic.

[Moseley]

Furthermore, recessive genes — like Tay-Sachs Disease — will show a distinct pattern of skipping generations.

We see no such pattern with homosexuality.

We do not see a concentration of homosexuality in a family line.

There may be a greater acceptance of homosexuality in certain families, due to having homosexuals in that family. So we may see slightly elevated examples of REPORTED homosexuality in certain families.

But we do not see either generation skipping patterns of recessive genes (and necessary, unavoidable if there are recessive genes) or concentration of homosexuality in family lines.

Tay-Sachs Disease is expressed and manifest when the genes passed on to a particular baby from NEITHER parent contain the enyzyme necessary to remove fatty acid build up in the nerves and brain cells.

This is a recessive genetic pattern.

But, once again, homosexual activists (who are mostly NOT homosexual themselves) do not understand science, genetics, or evolution or what they are talking about.

A recessive gene will still be concentrated in a particular family line and will show up in a generation-skipping pattern that WE DO NOT SEE with homosexuality.

What we do see is genetically identical twins in which one genetically identical twin is homosexual and the other is heterosexual.

Homosexuality is developmental, not genetic.

[Albion Wilde]

Homosexuality is NOT genetically based.

That may be, but it's not because gays avoided marriage to the opposite sex or procreating thereby.