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To: SunkenCiv

I must question this story because we all know that drugs are a ‘victimless crime’.

Libertarians have told us for years the only ones getting hurt, if anyone, are the users themselves. That’s why it’s okay to legalize illicit drugs!


4 posted on 07/02/2015 4:01:14 PM PDT by Paulie (America without Christianity is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: Paulie

You’re an idiot.


5 posted on 07/02/2015 4:02:27 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Paulie

Alcohol , on the other hand, is safe and has led to no societal problems, crimes, or deaths.


6 posted on 07/02/2015 4:04:14 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Paulie

They looked like a nice couple. The criminal who murdered them might well have lied about their drug use.


9 posted on 07/02/2015 4:12:44 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Paulie

meth isn’t a drug, it’s a poison.


11 posted on 07/02/2015 4:28:30 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Paulie; Popman; trisham; Clintonfatigued; BipolarBob; LouAvul

The truth, I mainly posted this because I was appalled by the event, and wondered of course whether the perp was just one of the local gentry, or an import.


15 posted on 07/02/2015 5:00:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: Paulie
Yeah, because this guy is clearly a saint when not under the influence of meth:

"The deceased woman’s brother told the station KPHO earlier today that he has learned from investigators that the Careccias were shot while trying to buy cocaine from Valenzuela.

"Valenzuela is being held on $2million bond. Records show that he has a criminal record that includes charges of assault and felony DUI."

22 posted on 07/02/2015 6:06:43 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Paulie
Libertarians have told us for years the only ones getting hurt, if anyone, are the users themselves.

Valenzuela's meth use didn't kill this couple - his bullets did. If a trucker who was up all last night watching the Three Stooges falls asleep behind the wheel and kills someone, by your logic the Three Stooges should be illegal.

24 posted on 07/02/2015 7:17:52 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Paulie
If drugs are legalized all drug crime will be eliminated because drugs will be readily available, and if you can't afford them, the government will give you your daily fix dose of medicine free of charge.

And since all the stress involved in procuring drugs will be eliminated, the possibility of the self-medicated going nuts and killing people for the joy of it will be a thing of the past.

"A gramme is better than a damn."

31 posted on 07/03/2015 3:36:39 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
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To: Paulie
I must question this story because we all know that drugs are a ‘victimless crime’.

Libertarians have told us for years the only ones getting hurt, if anyone, are the users themselves. That’s why it’s okay to legalize illicit drugs!

Are you series? Is your reasoning really this shallow?

After removing your sarcasm and then employing your "logic", to have any semblance of internal consistency, alcohol should also be banned, especially since it's the worst drug on the face of the Earth, far eclipsing the damage caused by all other drugs combined.

Is that indeed your position, or are you just cherry picking?

In a Free society, people will sometimes abuse their Freedoms.

The way to handle that is to provide stiff penalties when People actually do infringe on someone else's rights, whether under the influence of drugs or not; to educate people on the consequences of their actions; to lead by example; to offer appropriate rehabilitation options; and in general to help create a society where such "escapes" are not sought out so often.

The way not to handle the situation is to employ the utterly failed and Tyrannical policies of the last 100 years or so; to engage in hysterical emotionalism (another tactic of the Left); to engage in unconstitutional shortcuts which trample on unalienable rights; and to let other authoritarians justify their pet Tyranny using the same fallacious logic.

The bottom line is, People who haven't infringed on others' rights don't deserve to face imprisonment for merely possessing the wrong one of God's plants, some medicine, or distilled spirits, against the edicts of the State.

Contraband law is, by its nature, Tyrannical, and hysterical nanny-state Prohibitionists, who seek to manufacture crimes out of thin air (even in the absence of any infringement on someone else's rights) are using the same tactics of the authoritarian Left. As such, they have no basis for complaining when other authoritarians (who similarly don't understand true Liberty) use identical tactics to create their own Tyrannical nanny-state laws.

Totalitarian much?

32 posted on 07/03/2015 4:16:24 AM PDT by sargon
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