A lot of freepers were well ahead of the curve on that.
Posted on 07/01/2015 3:56:31 PM PDT by betty boop
A year ago I was strongly opposed to secession of any of the states and thought it was unlikely.
A year later and I think there is a fair chance of secession happening in the next 10 years. The social issues will provide the emotion, but the intractible economic issues (entitlements and amassed debt) will be the driver.
Thank you for recommending the book.
We 53% who pay the bills, need to create, now more than ever a huge groundswell conservative movement that clearly defines what’s going wrong in this country, and what’s needed to fix it.
Good place to start: Halt illegal immigration, cut spending /Nat’l debt, and purge corrupt politicians.
We can’t afford to piss away years trying to get a majority of states to agree on what needs to change in our US Constitution.
A lot of freepers were well ahead of the curve on that.
Be careful for what you ask. Just because you have an Article V convention doesn’t mean that you get what you want. If conducted at the wrong time, instead of getting a better explained 2nd Amendment you might end up with no “right to bear arms.”
And I think that you meant to say 2/3 (.667 or 67%) of the States to advance and 3/4 (.750 or 75%) of the states to ratify.
You think three-fourths (38) of the States would ratify a repeal of the Second Amendment? I don't you could get 38 ratifications for any attempt to repeal or otherwise diminish any part of the Bill of Rights.
I did not say that, and to insinuate such is: BS.
I Never supported Rove, nor do I blindly align with the GOP.
Do we agree that politician behavior is elastic, with a tendency for self interest that is constrained largely by fear of consequence, and to a lesser degree, sense of duty and character?
If a huge amount of people are righteously pissed and cohesively fired up, politician’s behavior yields to demands out of fear.
Do you agree that the only reason why we still have a second ammendment, is because leftist politicians know there would be absolute hell to pay, and rampant civil disobedience to a gun ban?
Do we agree that we’ve lost much of the first, and fourth ammendment because leftist politicians have had no fear of consequence as they chipped away at our freedoms?
Article V Convention efforts are at best a waste of valuable time, and worse since the process won’t be governed by a majority of lawmakers who adhere to a unified solid conservative set of beliefs.
For all of those who strike at the branches of evil, only one strikes at its root.
The US Constitution is not the problem. It is not deficient.
The problem lies with our country not having a citizenry with high moral expectations and subsequent politician’s fearless corrupt behavior.
“Carl Rove - just elect more Republicans and all will be fine. I CALL BS.”
I definitely blame the people. The reason the politicians lie is because of the people and what they think they want to hear. The reason there are RINO politicians is because of RINO voters. One of the reasons the people are so ill informed and become RINO or liberal voters is because of the MSM and education system etc. It is not that lots of these people are necessarily stupid but rather that so many of them are easily manipulated.
76% of the states have supported gay marriage. Is that the 75% is what you want to dicker with the constitution? Until we have more voters persuaded by our arguments and willing to support conservative candidates none of this really matters.
The courts are doing it anyway, so we can call a hail Mary pass or just wait for the currently inevitable.
I agree that the authority granted to Congress by Article III is a plenary power and does not require Presidential approval or is it subject to Judicial review. The power, however, is granted to Congress which is defined in the Constitution as being the Senate and House of Representatives.
A practical regulation would be to require a super majority (2/3 or 3/4) vote of the Supreme Court to overturn a law enacted by Congress or a provision included in a State Constitution.
As to the Article V Convention, opponents always emphasise the fear of an out of control convention eliminating the 2nd Amendment or some other provision we hold dear. Two points on that. First, members of the convention would be appointed by the States which are mostly conservative. It is unlikely that any member of the congress would be appointed. Second, the requirement for ratification by 3/4th of the states would make harmful results quite unlikely just as it would make beneficial results very difficult.
Repeal of the 17th amendment would do more to re-establish the balance achieved by the original framers than any other one act possible.
I congratulate you for thinking outside the box and thank you for your effort. Everything has to start somewhere. Looking for solutions is far better than descending into defeatism.
I believe that of the 76% only around 12 states approved it by vote of the people or act of their legislatures. The remainder was the result of Judicial Action. Good example being the ultra conservative State of California where it was banned by vote of the people but imposed by the Courts.
Yes to a convention of states.
Strictly from an academic exercise, what would you be willing to give up in order to get what you wanted in a new or modified constitution? For example, to abolish abortion as a “right” would you give up free speech on the internet? How about adding term limits on Congress and the SCOTUS. Would you or anyone else compromise away the 2nd amendment. I can’t guarantee that something won’t happen in the future that will turn a majority against the conservative reading of the 2nd or any other of the BoR.
Everything is a risk. Not having an Article V Convention could lead the federal government continuing to erode our rights. The federal government does that all the time and without the need for 38 ratifications.
.....”knowing how untrustworthy and compromised nearly all legislators are, we would be better advised to not open up the Article V Pandora ‘ s box.....I have the strongest hunch that it will ultimately be co-opted by the left, and render opposite of desired results.”.......
My concern as well.....there is such corruption within the states themselves!
-PJ
Oh you mean like these..."Huge numbers"...have we not been there done that time and again?...We still got Obamacare...we still got Roe vs. wade....and on and on...the media is not going to give any march visual...so the most that would happen is the politicians step out of their offices and shake a few hands.....nothing changes!
Yes, and we need new officeholders and new justices. And we need defiance.
The Constitution is NOW toilet paper..
NOT will be.. and has been for a long time..
ONLY republicans think it isn’t.. the cowards that they are..
Democrats don’t NOW... and for a long time have merely tolerated the Constitution..
Using it as a base for any kind of revolt is silly in the extreme..
You cannot REVOLT according to the Constitution..
You MUST REVOLT because there IS NO Constitution..
Or a mere vestige of one.. which some believe as silly as they are..
The REVOLT will not be and cannot be according to the Constitution..
IT’S War................. not negotiations.. voting.. an exchange of ideas.. Hair teeth and eyeballs all over the STREETS..
Real live blood and guts War.. balls to the wall...
Not a fancy.. DUEL...
Democrats know that and believe me will easily kill you where you stand.. and sleep well..
Pubbies better get their minds right -OR- there will BE NO War to fight... AND SOON TOO..
The SS and Wehrmacht are TOOLING UP... and they are not playing games..
Forget history and your DOOoooMED to REPEAT IT..
Damn... is there anybody here that been in a WAR... it ain’t pretty..
“THEY” are indeed coming for YOU.... and ME...
I suspect this time they are planning to liquidate several BILLION for mother earth and socialism..
And of course POWER to right thinking people..
You know............... THEM..
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