Posted on 06/26/2015 6:14:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Strength and Power are not the measure of a successful Republic. Consent of the Governed is the measure of success for a Nation formed on such a concept.
Hitler's Europe would have been a strong Union and probably more solid than any other, but it would not have been a successful Union according to the foundational principles of this nation because it would not be ruled by the consent of the governed.
The Soviet Union was another nation that ruled against the consent of the governed, and no doubt by your assessment, it would be regarded as solid and strong.
That misses the point completely. Your argument simplifies (in the mathematical sense) to "Might makes right."
It is my understanding that there were FIVE slave states that fought for the Union. Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware, and New Jersey.
It also puts the lie to the claim that the war was fought to end slavery, because if that was the goal, they could have started the war with those five. The Supply lines would have been a lot shorter.
The war was fought to stop Independence from Washington D.C. and the North Eastern power corridor.
So they sent an invasion force of 35,000 men because the Confederates blew up some rocks?
Your fig leaf is damage to some rocks.
No. It is not required. Only a tryant statist would think like you.
The U.S. sent an invasion force of millions against Japan and Germany because the Japanese sank some ships.
So then it's not a compact. It's a group where some states have rights and other states do not.
I'll bet that makes sense - to you.
And the ability to succeed against those who go to war against it.
Hitler's Europe would have been a strong Union and probably more solid than any other, but it would not have been a successful Union according to the foundational principles of this nation because it would not be ruled by the consent of the governed.
This is the best analogy you can come up with? Really?
The Soviet Union was another nation that ruled against the consent of the governed, and no doubt by your assessment, it would be regarded as solid and strong.
And it gets weirder and weirder.
Because dotting our "I"'s and crossing our "T"'s is important enough to kill 600,000 people for the sake of proper legal methodology.
There is NO ONE in the Union who was not aware of the Southern States desire to leave, and if they have the rights to do so expressed in the Declaration of Independence, they do not need "permission" from a compact of which they no longer wished to be a part. All the other excuse making is an appeal to formal methodology at the cost of the higher principle involved. It is placing the bath water at higher level of importance than the baby.
It is the Muslim world that believes a Wife must have her Husband's permission to divorce. In our society, we used to believe that people should not be forced to associate against their will.
I note also that George III was not asked permission for us to leave. He was informed. So was the Union, albeit less formally.
I second that!
One flaw in the present misperception is that most if not all the Southerners fought for maintaining slavery.
How many of those Southerners ever owned a single slave? Damn few! Then why would those that had no stake in slavery be willing to put both themselves and their families in such dire straits for slavery? They would not!
I say Southerners fought for Independence, independence from the Northern Aggression, by rich northerners that DID have a financial (investments in Southern plantations) stake in slave ownership and the general Northern intention to economically putting down a growingly independent South. The Union government being most interested in their waning power.
Ol Honest Abe was not hero to blacks, his plan was to ship em back.
Today’s anti-Confederate mantra is again based in the intent of quelling Southern economic independence and growing political power. The blacks today rallying against the “South” are no more than a useful idiotic pawns for the liberal powers.
That idiot boy in Charleston was very wrong in his act, but he was not wrong in his concern that many blacks are happy to terrorize anyone who opposes their personal interests. He was right to be concerned by the terrorist intent of black riots, black flash mobs, black knockout games and the race baiters that whip up black violence for their own power and enrichment.
That idiotic boy did not start the next Civil War, that will be started by liberals and their plantation lackies wrongly assuming they are freely able to now run roughshod over Southern whites.
It makes no sense to me. Which is why I asked you, hoping you could explain how that works. So go ahead.
It makes no sense to me. Which is why I asked you, hoping you could explain how that works. So go ahead.
Killed ~ 3,000 people, and set themselves up to conquer Vast swaths of territory of US Allies with an eye toward's eventual invasion and conquest of the mainland.
Yes, Pearl Harbor is exactly like blowing up some rocks. Exact same thing.
That you would even invoke such a false equivalency demonstrates the desperation of your larger argument.
This from the man invoking the Nazi and the Stalin analogies? Somehow I don't feel so dumb.
They have the same rights. They may maintain membership or leave as they see fit. Again, read the Declaration of Independence and try to grasp the concept put forth.
You know, for such an iggy, every once in a while you stumble upon the truth.Too bad you fail to recognize it even when you stumble upon it.
It is precisely because of the potential to kill 600,000 that the south was obligated to dot their "I's" and cross their "T's". That is the reason why the responsibility for those 600,000+ deaths rests squarely upon the southern slavers who instigated, initiated, and perpetrated war on it's own country.
Your emotional illogic is damage to reason.
Unavoidable conseuence of your philosophical position. It cannot help but get weirder. Today your weird position legalized "gay" marriage, and yesterday it legalized "Union" mandated health care payments from the citizens.
There are consequences to empowering FedZilla. That 14th amendment has turned out to be a real B*tch, hasn't it?
5 states, good catch, you’re right. So fully 20% of the Union states were slave states. That’s NOT insignificant.
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