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To: kingu

“Perhaps not every statement by the pope on virtually every issue would have to be nuanced and interpreted if the pope restrained himself to topics and beliefs that apply to the vast majority of the faithful, rather than constantly delving into the exceptions that are better handled between the parishioner and their priest?”

I believe this pope is a poor communicator, but here - and in some other cases - he said nothing wrong. What is happening is that the secular press focuses on anything that can be twisted and faithful Catholics - like trained seals - jump through exactly the hoops the secular media expects them to.

“Taking a page from liberal doctrine that any remark must be discounted and dismissed by personal attacks?”

Nope. An idiotic comment - and that’s what I called them - is an idiotic comment. It’s not a personal attack. It’s just a statement of fact.

“A great way to defend our pope... Or shall you be nuancing and interpreting your words on this as well?”

I’ve read the CCC. Have you? Seriously, when I see Catholics posting comments attacking the pope BECAUSE THEY’VE BEEN TOO LAZY OR STUPID to have read the CCC what can be said. . . except that they’ve been too lazy or stupid to read the CCC?

“Exceptions have always existed within the doctrine, but why bring such exceptions forward in public forums?”

It’s in the catechism. That’s a publicly accessible document used everywhere by Catholics. What part of that is new to you?

“It serves no good purpose, and only weakens the moral authority behind the teachings and the strength of marriage. “

Ridiculous.


77 posted on 06/24/2015 11:52:05 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; kingu
“Exceptions have always existed within the doctrine, but why bring such exceptions forward in public forums? It serves no good purpose, and only weakens the moral authority behind the teachings and the strength of marriage."

I don't think that statement is ridiculous at all. The Left has always used exceptions to pry apart rules that are sound. As I pointed out earlier, allowing the focus to be shifted away from the rule and toward the exception (even if it's in the Catechism) only weakens your position. Ask Todd Akin how it worked out for him.

87 posted on 06/24/2015 1:07:24 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: vladimir998; Mark17
“Exceptions have always existed within the doctrine, but why bring such exceptions forward in public forums?”
It’s in the catechism. That’s a publicly accessible document used everywhere by Catholics. What part of that is new to you?


This may be one of the major points Catholics and non Catholics are at odds

We biblical non Catholics of Sola Scriptura, regard "doctrine" as teaching, not suggestion.

If there is an exception to a doctrine, it is not doctrine, but a denominational teaching.


I don't think there is any argument among Catholics and non Catholics regarding salvation ... "Ye must be born again"

I think that is a clear and dogmatic doctrine ... ye must be ...

Now, the way "ye must be" comes under argument and debate, but the fact of the mustness is not questioned


There are things that are doctrine ... and things that are denominational teachings and the two oftimes conflict.

89 posted on 06/24/2015 3:02:54 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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