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H-1B visa fracas flares up again as US probes Infosys, TCS
ZDNet ^ | June 19, 2015 | Rajiv Rao

Posted on 06/22/2015 6:13:59 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom

It is an especially humiliating thing to lose your job overnight, kind of like being at the receiving end of a summary execution at the crack of dawn. But it must be an entirely different kind of feeling to be given delayed marching orders and then be forced to stick around to train your replacement, who has just been shipped in from a foreign country, under the additional threat that not doing so will cost you your severance. h1b-one.jpg

This is apparently what two companies -- Walt Disney and power utility Southern California Edison -- did over the last year, forcing the Department of Labour to open up investigations against Tata Consultancy Services and Infosys a few days ago for "possible violations of rules for visas for foreign technology workers under contracts" on the heels of a New York Times story on the Disney situation.

The Times is not the first to report these cases. Computerworld wrote a detailed story in February about how SCE, Southern California's largest utility, laid off around 400 people and hired their replacements from Infosys, based in Bangalore, and Tata Consultancy Services (TCS), in Mumbai. The Times focused more on the fracas at Disney, where 250 people were told in October last year that they were going to lose their jobs to Indians, with the added ignominy of having to train them.

Both Infosys and TCS deny that the Labour Department has launched an investigation into them -- indeed, they say that they have not been informed of any sort of probe being conducted at all.

Meanwhile, Indian IT industry body Nasscom claims that the Indian IT sector is being unfairly tarred without any attention to "facts and logic". Nasscom president R Chandrashekhar said its members are, as they always have been in situations like this, cooperating with US authorities on requests for information.

The stakes are enormous. The US remains by far the bulk of the market for the more than $140 billion Indian IT services industry, where exports are over $98 billion.

American IT workers are naturally incensed at any reports of IT jobs being stolen from under their noses by companies that pay their replacements a fraction of the wage.

"The program has created a highly lucrative business model of bringing in cheaper H-1B workers to substitute for Americans," said Ron Hira, a professor of public policy at Howard University, who studies visa programs and has testified before Congress about H-1B visas (PDF), in the Times story.

After all, the H-1B visa on which these tech workers arrive are meant for "specialized" positions that require advanced science or computer skills, where American equivalents cannot be found. But critics say that because of legal loopholes, companies often do not have to prove that American workers are being displaced. Christina’s story of quality at home and work Check out how our Nestlé Pure Life Mom makes sure quality is a top priority at home and at work. Sponsored by: Nestle® Pure Life®

On the other side of the fence, defenders of H-1Bs doing outsourced work in the US say that many American workers with advanced skills do not gravitate towards these relatively lower-end positions, and that the churn rate amongst Americans is often high enough to be a hiring deterrent. And those who do apply for the job are often older and need to be extensively re-skilled in order to be able to function in the fast-paced world of evolving programming languages.

In the final analysis, the saga of Indian IT companies being scrutinized for unfair labour practices in my opinion is as much about these firms gaming the system as it is about the history of labour within the American capitalist machine, the nexus between politics and big business in the US and its priorities, the real impact of H-1B on American IT jobs and wages, as well as the future of work.

Stay tuned for the next article on the H-1B saga that examines all of these issues within the context of the recent alleged probe against Infosys and TCS.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: corporatewelfare; h1b
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To: central_va
It must be remembered that the H-1B visa insanity has been going on FOR DECADES. It is great that it is getting the attention it deserves now, but it is an ancient atrocity.

True, I worked temp at a company who did import H-1B's in 1996. I was in the accounting section and helped maintain the records. Most of the H-1B's made salaries of anywhere from $40K to $115K and I'm talking 1996 here. It was like a different world, I felt like I was in India. The only section that had native born Americans was my section, accounting.

Kill it.

Agreed.
21 posted on 06/22/2015 9:29:31 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Barring a reformation, Islam Delenda Est.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
There was a jackwagon on this forum, just a week ago, saying he supported more H-1B because those computer jockeys were overpaid and lazy.

I'll not name him.

He's a die-hard Cruz supporter.

22 posted on 06/22/2015 9:30:47 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: rarestia
"This is playing out almost universally across American IT shops."

I can testify.

23 posted on 06/22/2015 9:36:23 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: SkyDancer
Just about all of them had a very poor command of the English language -

I now work in retail and many times, I have a hard time understanding Indians or Arabs when they speak. I admit I might have a tin ear but still communications are hard. There are times I mistake them as being from Mexico or Central America. I know in the grand scheme of world affairs, Hindus are not a problem but if a jihadist from the Middle East can pass as a Mexican/Central American, we are in for serious problems.
24 posted on 06/22/2015 9:36:27 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Barring a reformation, Islam Delenda Est.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
I'm a systems engineer. Several years ago my whole department (infrastructure) was outsourced to TCS. They told us several months in advance of our termination date and expected us to train our replacements during the transition.

I, of course said "sure thing" and immediately set my goal to be the first one out. With the exception of a DBA that had just been hired and was able to return to his prior employer, I succeeded and was able to give my notice within a few weeks.

TCS ended up having 3 people trying to do my job, unsuccessfully. My previous employer actually contacted my new employer in order to obtain my knowledge. It was fun answering thier questions, after asking for a billing code. LOL. That came to a screeching halt once my former employer got the first bill and realized that they were paying the same money for 15 hours per week of help as they were for me full time as an employee. That was 2008. I'm now making double my final salary there. Life is good!!

25 posted on 06/22/2015 11:13:48 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper
It's nice to hear of shortsighted idiots getting their comeuppance - but it's a shame so many politicians are eager to pander to those shortsighted idiots as they eviscerate the American middle class.
26 posted on 06/22/2015 1:36:09 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: rarestia
Often, the H-1B worker is backed by a team of offshore staff back in India. In onshore-offshore support models, they are experts at playing the time zones.

It starts with a help desk ticket for a service request. That ticket waits for 12 hours for the offshore worker to come to work. Invariably, they find some missing charge code or confusing wording and send back a request for clarification. Another 12 hours for you to come to work and reply. Another 12 hours for them to reply to your reply. Three days might go by before they close the ticket and say you sent it to the wrong team. Next week, you reopen the ticket and call a meeting with your experts and their experts to explain to them what the problem is, and what the fix is. Two weeks can go by to resolve a request that your prior staff could have done in half a day.

-PJ

27 posted on 06/22/2015 2:00:47 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: central_va
You're right and the reason it's finally getting attention is because the they're trying to ram the rest of the camel into the tent now that everyone has lived with the nose so long.

Ted Cruz coming out in favor of a five fold increase of such Visas is a reflection of that big business wants and they want it now, before King Barry is out of office.

That way there's no chance that the next President can just yank 300,000+ Visas because by then companies can moan and complain about how they can't operate without them and it will take years to train their replacements. With wages lowering rather than rising, fewer people will go into those fields and their argument gains weight with every passing year..

If there's any shortage of qualified people it's a shortage of people who will move to the West Coast to live and work in the liberal chitholes so many tech companies are located in no matter what the pay.

Companies that don't care about the US any more than they care about Indonesia or China don't want to tolerate employees that won't live wherever the company tells them to in the US or in another country. People who consider what life is like for their families the overall environment they work in don't fit with the corporate view of the world. A whole lot of people who have ignored the deindustrialization while they cheerfully toddled along in their cubical are going to find that they're not immune from the same sort corporate attacks that destroyed industry in this country.

Bottom line, the H1-B Visa program is an integral part of driving US workers and wages down to the "World Class" standard of being willing, mobile, cheap, labor no matter what skills they've acquired.

JMHo

28 posted on 06/22/2015 4:47:37 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

Hopefully, Ted Cruz will abandon his attack on American Workers.


29 posted on 06/22/2015 4:53:15 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Islamic Immigration is Treason)
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To: ConservingFreedom

I think we will find this has become very common

and many of these companies will be political darlings and big donors (Cronies)


30 posted on 06/22/2015 4:58:26 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Rashputin

A world without borders is the corporate fascist dream. I guess I am just old school jingoist.


31 posted on 06/22/2015 5:34:28 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Rashputin
Bottom line, the H1-B Visa program is an integral part of driving US workers and wages down to the "World Class" standard of being willing, mobile, cheap, labor no matter what skills they've acquired.

That's it in a nutshell - back to a society of nobility and serfs.

32 posted on 06/23/2015 6:09:17 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Dagnabitt
Hopefully, Ted Cruz will abandon his attack on American Workers.

Hopefully, yes, but IMHO, probably not. Based on a lifetime of watching politicians, I doubt he'll side with anyone except folks with the same background he has. Dancing with the one who brought you, as they say.

That means it once again comes down to a battle between what the majority want and what the Haaarvad minded crowd want.

Average folks have lost that battle every time it's been fought throughout the whole history of our decades long national deindustrialization.

33 posted on 06/23/2015 6:09:33 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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