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The American middle class isn’t coming back — it’s going to die with the Baby Boomers
Salon ^ | June 15, 2015 | Scott Timberg

Posted on 06/15/2015 12:22:04 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Tzimisce
OTOH, they are doing so well in Singapore that one out of every 13 Singaporeans is now a millionaire. That's why their middle class is disappearing. Less than 60 years ago, Singapore was a third world country with little more than a great location going for them. One out of every 10 Singaporeans was addicted to an opium based drug.

Singapore got there by shunning leftist ideology.

81 posted on 06/15/2015 1:13:57 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: GeronL

It is not just the left.

Notice what party is fighting for TPP, and who is advocating for open borders.


82 posted on 06/15/2015 1:17:15 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

perhaps the solution is to import a bunch of people from south of the border.


83 posted on 06/15/2015 1:18:10 PM PDT by MNDude (God is not a Republican, but Satan is certainly a Democrat.)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

I’m, not talking about your specific situation.

Back in the 40s 50s and 60s my folks and millions of others brought homes on one single income. Mom was able to stay home. Jobs were secure and had benefits and yes retirement pensions.

You do understand that’s all but history for the boomers and their kids right?

My Mom could not understand what boomers were paying in 4 or 6 months of mortgage payments, was what they paid TOTAL price for their homes. Read this again real slow.

These are the ugly brutal facts, millions deal with it.


84 posted on 06/15/2015 1:19:49 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Shallow rendition of the blame game. Europe and Asia destroyed themselves in WWII, so we were left as the pre-eminent industrial power in the world. Unfortunately, we didn't maintain that position: other countries were a lot hungrier than we were. Inevitably other countries were going to make a comeback, but there's a lot of blame to go around for why we didn't put up more of a fight.

Whatever the sins of the boomers, they weren't really responsible for the corporate raider economy of the 80s and 90s. They were the generation coming up then, but the bosses were still older men who came of age in the 40s and 50s. The boomers only played subordinate roles until they filled their old bosses shoes.

85 posted on 06/15/2015 1:20:44 PM PDT by x
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To: redgolum

TPP IS open borders with no possibility of being able to close the door.


86 posted on 06/15/2015 1:20:48 PM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: BlackAdderess

And the GOP is fighting for it.


87 posted on 06/15/2015 1:21:58 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
But these gray Boomers and grayer Silents – not all of them, but enough to do substantial damage – put forces in motion that mean for the rest of us, the twilight years will be significantly less cozy.

I'm feeling a severe micro-aggression coming on...

-PJ

88 posted on 06/15/2015 1:22:07 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: redgolum

Not all of them :)


89 posted on 06/15/2015 1:22:32 PM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: Political Junkie Too
I'm feeling a severe micro-aggression coming on...

Take 2 martinis and call me in the morning.

90 posted on 06/15/2015 1:24:09 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: x
Yes. they had it easy. The Reagan growth of the eighties didn't have to compete with India, China, and Russia of today.

The aftermath of WWII allowed us the competitive advantage. That is over, and the leveling of the playing field is obvious. New tech simply leaves expensive labor markets out of the loop.

91 posted on 06/15/2015 1:25:04 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon
My point is that most families today who want to live on one income, and are willing to live the same lifestyle that young families did in the '50s, could probably do it.

BTW, that's total bull sh*t. Most would never have zip today. Try buying homes, delivering 3 babies and everything that goes with it, insurance, 75 dollars to fill their freaking gas tanks and on and on. In fact, most don't have squat and are barely making it on *two* incomes today. That's if they're lucky enough to have full time jobs.

Why do you think the American middle class is all but dead on the floor?

Get real.

92 posted on 06/15/2015 1:27:50 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: RayChuang88

I like your idea and there are lots of us in the same echo chamber. The 16th amendment needs to be abolished first however. Everyone pays the same “rate”. No kick backs, no loopholes, no graduated income brackets. Beyond that, fedzilla operates within its means. If the money is not “there”, entire agencies start massive cutbacks if not entire agencies wiped from the books.
I believe at last count (and this was a handful of years back) there were 4500+ federal agencies. 4500. We simply DO NOT need that much government.


93 posted on 06/15/2015 1:30:21 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

From this 1951r.

Contributions to Social Security, by me, wife and employers should pay us around $100,000 per year if grown with the S&P500. We will collect a small fraction of that.

The move out of suburbs hurt RE values there, but gen Xrs must be making a killing in Brooklyn-Hoboken-UES-Marina District-SOMA etc.

The H1Bs taking the Silicon Valley jobs are getting US market wages, usually in the low 100s. They marry each other and can afford most anything, anywhere. Our children can (and do) train and obtain these high paying jobs.

Fracking has made fossil fuels virtually unlimited.

My Millenial daughters have been to Europe for fun many times, usually at their own expense, at a younger age than when I went there.

Salon missed it big time.


94 posted on 06/15/2015 1:34:58 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: libstripper

And yet the middle class keeps voting for it.

Isn’t Obamaland great? :)


95 posted on 06/15/2015 1:35:39 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The air traffic controllers were FEDERAL workers, and yes, part of that AFGE mess.

They, against their federal employment contract, decided to GO ON STRIKE, which was illegal.

Therefore, they, not Reagan, are to blame for their own demise.


96 posted on 06/15/2015 1:37:41 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: altsehastiin
you will get back more from social security than you ever paid into it.

Duh.

With any retirement-savings plan; you're supposed to get back more than you paid in. It's simple arithmetic.

You let your payments be distributed immediately to your parents...

We "Let" that happen? Like we had a choice? As if it was our idea? Are you nuts?

Apparently you are unaware that Social Security wasn't sold to us as the Ponzi scheme that it really is. We were told that our "contributions" were to earn interest, like any retirement fund. We know now that there was no "trust fund" earning interest. So that was a lie. But it wasn't our lie. We were the ones who were lied to.

For most of us Middle-Class Boomers, our return-on-investment from Social Security is less than 2%. Less than what Passbook-Savings-Account interest averaged over the past 50 years.

It isn't a freebie. It's a scam. And the scam is on those of us who paid into it for decades; and who now receive somewhere between one-half and one-fourth of what we would be receiving if our money had gone into average interest-bearing retirement accounts.

But don't worry; when you reach retirement age, I'm sure your grandchildren's generation will be more than happy to pay for your retirement.

97 posted on 06/15/2015 1:38:15 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Today's Democrats are much more Fascist than Communist; but Sen Joe McCarthy was still right.)
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To: Theoria

This is just the latest tech disruption, they always wipe out major swaths of employment until people settle on new ways to get out in front of it. My job category has been decimated and I’m training for something else.

In the past people who were good enough at getting ahead of the disruption made a fortune.

I think we should be going back to strategies that served previous generations well (not living above your means, valuing family).


98 posted on 06/15/2015 1:40:21 PM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: griswold3

***** “The left doesn’t understand the concept of ‘creating value’ thus creating REAL wealth” *****

Exactly .... “You didn’t build that”

They don’t have a clue, or they do and prefer to Lie.

TT


99 posted on 06/15/2015 1:43:32 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The real blame is shared between the left and the Kondratieff winter we’re living through. Even if we get rid of all the destructive left-wing policies starting in 2017, the middle class won’t come back until capitalism rebuilds itself with a generation that has to work to create and accumulate capital, rather than coasting on what the last three generations built.


100 posted on 06/15/2015 1:44:46 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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