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House deals humiliating blow to Obama in trade fight
MSN ^ | 6/12/2015 | Cristina Marcos

Posted on 06/12/2015 11:41:39 AM PDT by HomerBohn

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To: hinckley buzzard

See Trumka’s statement to the President?

“I would ask that you not mischaracterize our positions and views, even in the heat of legislative battle ... You have repeatedly isolated and marginalized labor and unions.”

Seems labor and the unions don’t like being the ones on the receiving end of Obama’s m.o. Looking forward to seeing Trumka and his buddies being labeled racists for opposing this.


21 posted on 06/12/2015 11:58:52 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: HomerBohn

‘HUMILIATING BLOW’?

I bet Bill Clinton is jealous


22 posted on 06/12/2015 11:59:17 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: notdownwidems

Though it could be wished that more conservatives would primary in a positive sense, i.e. they got someone they like, they will get off their sofas en masse to vote that person onto the ballot rather than just griping and moaning. Why does it take something they hate to get that kind of activity?


23 posted on 06/12/2015 12:00:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The picture of dealing “a blow” to Clown Prince nobama seems so “sinclairesque”.


24 posted on 06/12/2015 12:01:15 PM PDT by hal ogen (loser town.)
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To: SMARTY

For Bill, there’s no such thing as a “humiliatin’ blow”


25 posted on 06/12/2015 12:01:28 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi! My vote is going to Cruz.)
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To: tanknetter

Oh man, he’s actually WHINING. That’s what whipped bullies do.

And it’s HIS PET PARTY that sold him out.

And it was the rivals who were coming to try to soften the blow....


26 posted on 06/12/2015 12:01:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Paladin2

Might as well cause when he opens his mouth and speaks English he commits voter suicide.


27 posted on 06/12/2015 12:02:43 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“America that once knew it was a 500 lb. gorilla, now acting like a 5 lb. monkey desperate for attention.”

You realize, given what we have in the White Hut masquerading as our president, what you’ve said can be considered racist! In addition, legitimate monkeys are going to be upset as well.


28 posted on 06/12/2015 12:03:42 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: HomerBohn

I’m confused. if the trade agreement was to create more jobs, then who would be displaced by trade?


29 posted on 06/12/2015 12:07:55 PM PDT by dp0622
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To: HiTech RedNeck; All

I have to confess that I have not been closely following this debate. Has somebody (reliable) distilled the issue down to an understandable essay/column?


30 posted on 06/12/2015 12:12:59 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

He’s mine, too. I called his office this morning & thanked him for the ‘no’ vote yesterday & said keep on voting ‘no’. I don’t know about you, but I am still feeling excited about the dethroning of Cantor .... makes me smile every time I think about it. So far, no regrets about Brat. I’ve noticed he’s getting more of a “voice”, too (more interviews, people taking seriously what he’s saying & liking his economics degree).


31 posted on 06/12/2015 12:15:34 PM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. ~W.E. Johns)
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To: HomerBohn
Can you explain these to me?

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 363

(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

      H R 644      RECORDED VOTE      12-Jun-2015      2:14 PM
      QUESTION:  Concurring in Senate amendments with amendment
      BILL TITLE: Trade Facilitation and Trade Enforcement Act of 2015

Ayes Noes PRES NV
Republican 228 17   1
Democratic 12 173   3
Independent        
TOTALS 240 190   4


FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 362

(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

      H R 1314      RECORDED VOTE      12-Jun-2015      1:54 PM
      QUESTION:  Concurring in portion of senate amendment preceding title II
      BILL TITLE: Trade Act of 2015

Ayes Noes PRES NV
Republican 191 54   1
Democratic 28 157   3
Independent        
TOTALS 219 211   4


FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 361

(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

      H R 1314      RECORDED VOTE      12-Jun-2015      1:47 PM
      QUESTION:  Concurring in portion of Senate Amdt comprising title II (except section 212)
      BILL TITLE: Trade Act of 2015

Ayes Noes PRES NV
Republican 86 158   2
Democratic 40 144   4
Independent        
TOTALS 126 302   6



32 posted on 06/12/2015 12:15:41 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (In an Oligarchy, the serfs don't count.)
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To: HomerBohn
"It is, in fact, Ryan who makes Republicans look unreliable."

Ya'know...anytime Pelosi votes against Obama raises a large

33 posted on 06/12/2015 12:18:00 PM PDT by yoe
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

Basically, they passed fast track, but without the assistance package for displaced workers so the whole thing has to be voted on in the Senate again. Or they sweeten the deal and bring that back up in the House. The second one is my hunch.


34 posted on 06/12/2015 12:21:54 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: mrsmith

No, opposition is getting stronger.


35 posted on 06/12/2015 12:27:22 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: HomerBohn

I need to watch out for getting hit by lightening for saying this but ... well done Dims!


36 posted on 06/12/2015 12:27:28 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Unlikely. The Senate doesn’t want to deal with it again.


37 posted on 06/12/2015 12:28:06 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: notdownwidems

Agreed!


38 posted on 06/12/2015 12:28:35 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
Basically, they passed fast track, but without the assistance package for displaced workers so the whole thing has to be voted on in the Senate again. Or they sweeten the deal and bring that back up in the House. The second one is my hunch.


39 posted on 06/12/2015 12:31:45 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: HomerBohn
I would like to offer my speculation about the motivations which prompted Obama, the Democrats and the Republicans in the fiasco which led them to bungle passage of the fast-track bill.

Many posters seem to think that Obama was somehow victorious, that he conspired with Nancy Pelosi to get this result etc. Conspiracy theories of this sort are utter rubbish. I believe that Obama is not motivated as we will be told by the mainstream media by a need to burnish his legacy, although that no doubt would be gratifying to him, rather he is motivated by an extreme leftist ideology, an ideology which drives him to accomplish all of the goals of the far left which include destroying American sovereignty and substituting a one world socialist utopian government. The trade bill Obama is presently negotiating is as perfect a vehicle as Obamacare and environmental issues to accomplish that purpose.

So the trade agreement that was to be pushed through on fast-track contains hidden traps and snares for the unwary, the gullible and, in the case of Republicans, the greedy which will serve to parallel Obama's domestic rule and ruin strategy. Just as he has used executive orders to dodge the Constitution and the powers allocated under it to the other branches, just as he uses the bureaucracy to rule by decree, Obama wants a trade agreement to shove aside the Constitution and ultimately to destroy American sovereignty.

The Democrats who oppose this bill did not do so because they have been rebuffed by Obama and are miffed, rather they did this because they are shearing away from Obama and toward the siren of Elizabeth Warren and her populist movement. The House Democrats are thinking about the next election, not about Obama's legacy. They are very much in thrall with the populist aspects of Elizabeth Warren's message and they know this bill is repugnant to that message.

The Republicans are proving once again to be the stupid party. They should understand the power this message has with Rank-And-File Democrats in the House and they ought to question whether that power extends to the general electorate. I think it does. Donald Trump thinks it does but the rest of the Republican candidates, Ted Cruz and Scott Walker regrettably among them, apparently do not. Besides, the Republicans might latch on to an idea simply because it is right.

This is a pivotal issue for the election and the fact that this trade bill crashed on the issue should be instructive to Republicans. The issue is the reform of government policies which are hollowing out America, which have cost us our first place as the world's leading economy, and which now have extended to the extent that they are actually seriously undermining our national and therefore our personal safety and that of our children. To reform misguided government policies is a purely conservative undertaking and we ought not to be misled by characterizations that such reforms are not conservative because they echo Democrat talking points. They do not.

The Democrats will not use our labels, they will tell us they are seeking to cure income inequality but the Republicans must tell the world that inequality is caused by Democrat policies. These trade agreements, no less than unchecked rogue immigration and runaway regulations, are to blame for our present malaise afflicting the middle-class.

Wake up Republicans, seize the issue, win the election, and recover the erstwhile Reagan Democrats for a generation.


40 posted on 06/12/2015 12:35:56 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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