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800 Years of Limited Government
Townhall.com ^ | June 8 | George Mano

Posted on 06/08/2015 10:25:07 AM PDT by Kaslin

Almost 800 years ago to the day, on 25 June 1215, some English barons and clergymen met on a field known as Runnymede and watched the king of England put the royal seal on a document known today as Magna Carta—a document limiting the power of the king and granting rights to ordinary citizens. It was one of those rare times in history, when brave men stood up to a tyrant and changed the world for the better.

In the early 13th century, a reckless and ruthless king named John ruled England, Ireland, Normandy, Aquitaine, and Anjou. Eighteenth century historian David Hume describes John as, “Equally odious and contemptible, both in public and private life, he affronted the barons by his insolence, dishonored their families by his gallantries, enraged them by his tyranny, and gave discontent to all ranks of men by his endless exactions and impositions.”

John knew that the barons disliked him, so he demanded that they place close relatives—a son, nephew, or brother—in his custody to hold as security. He also kept a few expert swordsmen close at hand at all times, in case one of the barons felt bold enough to challenge him to a duel.

An unsuccessful war against the French King Philip II in the years 1202-4, caused the loss of the continental provinces of Normandy, Aquitaine, and Anjou. Yet, unashamed and undeterred, for the next few years, John continued to act arrogantly and recklessly, culminating in a decision in 1209 to challenge the Pope’s authority in the matter of choosing the Archbishop of Canterbury. The Pope, Innocent III, quickly excommunicated him, creating a serious problem for a king who claimed to reign by the grace of God. Church bells could no longer be rung in England, clergy could no longer say mass for the general public, and men of the cloth had to resign their posts rather than serve an excommunicated king. Anyone who worked with John in any capacity was likewise excommunicated. The Pope held all the cards, so John had to concede to all of the papal demands, which included—to the shame of the English barons—granting authority over England and Ireland and promising to pay the Pope fealty and a large sum of money annually. Satisfied that John had repented, in 1213 Innocent III cancelled the excommunication and allowed him to rejoin the church.

One would think after losing such big battles that John would steer clear of conflict, but it was not the case. Confident he was secure on the throne and that the Pope would support him, John decided to launch another war against the French to regain the lost provinces. Naturally, he expected English barons to support him. The barons, however, refused to join his adventure, convinced that John was incapable of winning a war against Philip II. Simultaneously, the new Archbishop of Canterbury, Stephen Langton, assembled the English noblemen and showed them the Charter of Henry I, which enumerated the rights of ordinary Englishmen. Langton persuaded the noblemen that these rights desperately needed to be reaffirmed. David Hume wrote, “The barons, inflamed by (the Archbishop’s) eloquence, incited by the sense of their own wrongs, and encouraged by the appearance of their power and numbers, solemnly took an oath, before the high altar, to adhere to each other, to insist on their demands, and to make endless war on the king till he should submit to grant them.”

After Christmas, the barons as a group appeared before John and issued their demands. Hume wrote, “The king (was) alarmed with their zeal and unanimity.” He asked for some time to consider the matter and agreed to meet with them again after Easter. John, however, spent the next few months planning treachery. He felt he could weaken the barons’ resolve, if he could take away the support of the church. He granted the clergy a charter giving them the right to choose their own replacements for vacant posts, and he promised to lead a crusade in Palestine against the Moors. The local clergy and the Archbishop of Canterbury, however, despite the charter John granted them, were firmly behind the barons.

Two thousand knights plus retainers assembled in a village near Oxford to challenge the king. John asked them what their demands were, and, according to Hume, after they were delivered, he flew into a rage and promised he would never grant such liberties as would reduce himself to slavery. The knights, then, proceeded to attack the king’s castles. They had some success and marched into London, where they were received without opposition. Next they laid waste to the king’s park and palaces, and John, who was holed up in a castle in Hampshire with only seven knights to defend him, had to face reality—he might be killed. He quickly sent a message to the barons agreeing to their demands. A truce was called, and a meeting was held on the field of Runnymede. There, the king signed and sealed the document which reaffirmed the church’s right to elect its own clergy, and granted rights and privileges to the barons and ordinary people.

Some of these rights and privileges would later be brought to the New World and find their way into our Bill of Rights in slightly different language. Notable among these is section 39 which reads, “No freemen shall be taken or imprisoned, (etc.) except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land.”

John, however, had no intention of keeping the promises he agreed to in the Magna Carta. He pretended to go along with them for a while, biding his time until he could annul them. Fortunately for us, he contracted a serious illness the next year and died. He was followed on the throne by his nine-year-old son, Henry III. The English barons made sure that Henry and subsequent monarchs acknowledged the limitations on their power as expressed in Magna Carta, forcing Henry to put his seal on an updated version in 1217 and then again in 1225.

In this post-Constitutional age we live in today, in which the power of the “monarch” expands at the expense of the rights of ordinary men on a daily basis, it is good to look back on important milestones on the road to freedom. Maybe the 800th anniversary of Magna Carta will remind us of how difficult it was to obtain our rights.


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To: samtheman
...and not to mention that it perpetuated the patriarchy!

no justice no peas! no justice no peas!!

;)

21 posted on 06/08/2015 11:08:01 AM PDT by TangibleDisgust (The Parmesan doesn't go like that.)
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To: Sam Gamgee

power corrupts.


22 posted on 06/08/2015 11:09:16 AM PDT by TangibleDisgust (The Parmesan doesn't go like that.)
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To: TangibleDisgust

Good thing it’s not:

no justice, no pee

Just think how long you’d have to hold it.


23 posted on 06/08/2015 11:22:31 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Kaslin

They should have cut John’s head off, or better yet beaten him to death with his crown.


24 posted on 06/08/2015 11:26:12 AM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: Kaslin

The idea of limited government in the British Isles arose in part, from the Nordic concept of the “Thing”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing_(assembly)

“A thing (Old Norse, Old English and Icelandic; þing; German, Dutch; ding; modern Scandinavian languages; ting) was the governing assembly of a Germanic society, made up of the free people of the community presided over by lawspeakers. Its meeting-place was called a thingstead.

The Anglo-Saxon folkmoot or folkmote (Old English — “folk meeting”, modern Norwegian; folkemøte) was analogous, the forerunner to the witenagemot and in some respects the precursor of the modern Parliament of the United Kingdom.

Today the term lives on in the English term husting, in the official names of national legislatures and political and judicial institutions of Nordic countries and, in the Manx form tyn, as a term for the three legislative bodies on the Isle of Man.”

Other origins included the Roman Senate, dating to ancient Rome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Senate

“The senate was a political institution in the ancient Roman kingdom. The word senate derives from the Latin word senex, which means “old man”; the word thus means “assembly of elders”. The prehistoric Indo-Europeans who settled Italy in the centuries before the legendary founding of Rome in 753 BC[1] were structured into tribal communities,[2] and these communities often included an aristocratic board of tribal elders.[3]”

Queen Hillary wants to let everybody vote, whereas the ancients had the wisdom to limit voting to informed, landed elders and wisemen. As recently as the Mafia, they called them “wiseguys.”


25 posted on 06/08/2015 11:35:50 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Kaslin

DONT BLAME OBAMA AND HITLERY..... blame congress....
THEY SHOULD BE IMPEACHING OBAMA AND GOING AFTER HILLARY CRIMINALLY....


26 posted on 06/08/2015 12:28:36 PM PDT by zzwhale
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To: zzwhale

What good would that do? You think the rats would go along with it? Keep on dreaming. I rather he be sent to prison at Fort Leavenworth


27 posted on 06/08/2015 12:31:47 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: odawg

Probably a mistype and should be June 15. Guess the editor did not catch it as it not a misspelling


28 posted on 06/08/2015 12:37:28 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: OttawaFreeper

I am sure that was quite interesting


29 posted on 06/08/2015 12:39:00 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Red Badger
Is the author stating that the Constitution, as we know it, is dead?...................

In a sense, he's right. Legislative, executive, judicial -- which of these even pretends to adhere to the Constitution anymore? And the citizens? How many view the Constitution as merely a guideline, if even that, to be circumvented should a situation require government intervention?

30 posted on 06/08/2015 12:47:21 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: Kaslin

Informative article. Knew about it, and I didn’t know he wanted to get rid of it. Sound like our king and queen.


31 posted on 06/08/2015 1:15:35 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: ExCTCitizen

Sure does. It looks like as if history does indeed repeat itself


32 posted on 06/08/2015 2:09:14 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

When the people of the Middle East have such an event regarding many of their self-appointed rulers you can expect that religious freedom from a government dictated to by the ministers of a religion in many Middle East nations may not be too many centuries off. Of course that achievement took how long in western nations after the Magna Carta?


33 posted on 06/08/2015 3:18:43 PM PDT by Wuli
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