Posted on 06/03/2015 5:02:38 AM PDT by bestintxas
An unusual schism has opened up on Californias politically dominant left flank, where Gov. Jerry Brown, a longtime favorite of the states environmentalists, has refused to give in to the climate change movements demand for a statewide ban on hydraulic fracturing.
His stance comes despite the growing clamor in the aftermath of fellow Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomos decision in December to allow a similar statewide ban of the revolutionary oil and gas drilling technique in New York. Hollywood stars and environmental activists badly want California to be next.
The irony, of course, is that there may be no greener governor than Mr. Brown, an early and aggressive leader on clean and renewable energy. But touting the benefits of the lower carbon emissions from natural gas is an increasingly unacceptable position in the climate change movement, a key coalition of the Democratic Party.
Mr. Browns refusal to budge on a fracking ban is frustrating, admits Dan Jacobson, legislative director for Environment California, part of the Californians Against Fracking coalition.
But he is also one of the godfathers of the environmental movement, said Mr. Jacobson. Hes got three more years in office, and if he wants to be a climate leader, hes going to have to complete the other side of the equation, which is dealing with oil and making sure we leave it in the ground.
Mr. Jacobson is more polite than some activists, who have heckled the governor at public appearances with chants of Climate leaders dont frack
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
I suppose he thinks we should drive our solar and wind powered cars...
I wonder where this moron thinks we get the electricity to power electric cars?...Energy pulled out of the ground
Brown is spastic....
Considering the disparity in populations, that is likely, and the tree huggers on the coast still outnumber the liberty oriented people by a bunch.
The Left believes that what they want to be true is necessarily true because they want it to be true. When you have no transcendant God that is where you end up.
You could be right, but your media portrays whomever it is that fights energy production, from power plant construction to off-shore drilling, as the dominant voice in the state. I don’t think I’m the only person exogenous to CA who feels this way.
Adjusted for population base and just using proportions, I seriously doubt there’s more tree huggers in IN.
They want us in the stone age once again.
Correction: They want YOU in the stone age,
themselves not so much.
Um, fracking has been used commercially since the fifties.
“...Even when a conservative issue wins at the polls it is immediately taken to court to be over ruled (and I still not understand how a constitutional amendment could be ruled unconstitutional.)...”
The same way “Shall not be infringed” and the like jive with gun control, or the 16th Amendment ‘negates’ the 4th, 5th and 13th.
Judicial oligarchy. When the trunk is diseased, it matters not the branches.
He need money.
“Um, fracking has been used commercially since the fifties.”
Yeah, but they lowered nitroglycerin in the well to frac the rock during that time.
New frac technologies, coupled with horizontal drilling, makes my top 4 of most important technological achievements I have witnessed during my +40 years as a petroleum engineer.
“The problem is that much of the technology used in fracking were originally developed in California in order to pump out the molasses-quality California crude oil found west and southwest of Bakersfield, CA. Banning fracking would unintentionally ban that gas/fluid injection technology, and the big oil companies (like Chevron, based in San Ramon, CA) would be upset to no end. “
actually, very little of the California crude is produced via fraccing. I can only think of the very low perm, high porosity diatomite Shell has at Belridge that requires this.
Most of the thick crude you are referring to that is produced in CA is due to steam injection, which begain by Getty at the Kern River field in the 60s, and is still a top producing field to this day.
By the way, that highly viscous oil originally pumped out by Getty is so thick you have to heat it up to 140 °F. just to make it flow.
Why hope after the crash, simple, nothing every stays the same. The socialist have has a long rung, but their policies do not (and can not work, because of human nature) and at some point it all falls apart.
Do you think after the crash the people will embrace more of the same policies that got them to that point?
“your media”?
The left wing media in my state is no more
mine than the left wing media in your state
is yours.
Since you are willing to lump California
residents into one like-minded block why
should I allow you to handicap the population
aspect?
Yes, but to a point. I expect a lot of the freeloaders to go to greener pastures. Unfortunately, many of the producers will already have done the same.
The good news? Whoever is left and regardless of their makeup, there will not be enough money to finance all the socialist and utopian crap that killed us.
Sorry. I thought you had enough brains to figure out what I meant by the statement. I actually was referring to the reporters who write the stories coming from your state.
Since you are willing to lump California residents into one like-minded block why should I allow you to handicap the population aspect?
Because it's the right thing to do. Read my statement again. I stated things as proportions simply because of your larger population base. Again, I foolishly assumed you understood how to adjust for differing sample sizes...my mistake.
What you foolishly did in reality, Doc, is
to cast your lot with some of the less informed
here who post as if all Californians are like
minded. I, and the hundreds of other Californians
who frequent FR along with millions of other
conservatives are “residents” who frequently
get out-voted by the “majority of voters” in
this state. We conservative Californians are responsible
for what happens in this state to about the same
degree as you are responsible for what Obama and his
minions do on a national level.
I wonder, does this Idiot who says “leave the Oil in the ground” use Gasoline, Plastics, Prescription Drugs, Eat Farm produced Foods and Heat / Air Condition his House?
“By the way, that highly viscous oil originally pumped out by Getty is so thick you have to heat it up to 140 °F. just to make it flow. “
What do you think steam does to the crude?
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