Posted on 05/31/2015 5:09:33 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
According to her Wiki bio, Ginsburg has had both colon and pancreatic cancer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Bader_Ginsburg#Health
Steve Jobs didn’t have the most common, normally quick to kill, kind of pancreatic cancer. He had a different disease, starting in the same ‘pancreatic’ neighborhood. His, rarer type, tends to have the slower course Jobs displayed and that would have been known once they had pathology on it.
Well, the pastor is alive, his cancer was well documented in the VA health system as is his refusal to use chemo and his document ed use of only Apricots, Apricot kernels, his own saliva and prayer and his being cancer free within a month documented by a PET scan by the VA.
But you do as you wish.
True, but the rest of your post isn't. The cyanide found in bitter Apricot Kernels only attacks and kills cancer cells. As Saddam Hussein found out when he imported tons in the hopes of making a chemical weapon.
Consuming cyanide may kill the cancer, but only because it kills the patient who has the cancer.
Funny, but I think you have seeds mixed up with chemotherapy, chemo acts by killing cells indiscriminately, killing the good and the bad, that's what makes folks using chem sick and the drug companies and medical folks rich.
It's amazing that once someone has invented some scam to separate desperate people from their money (and often cause them to forego tested treatments), those old scams never disappear.
May of us are working hard to rid the world of the scam called the FDA.
People, please do not fall for these scams, and especially do not give your money to snake oil salesmen trying to sell you poisons relabeled as cures.
I promise you Dr. exDemMom MD we won't fall for your scam much longer.
That idea that amygdalin somehow only releases cyanide within cancer cells but not elsewhere is just part of the mythology built up around laetrile to sell it to vulnerable cancer patients in the 1970s, when this scam first started. Even if that fiction were true, cyanide is a small ion which readily crosses into and out of cells. That means that if the cyanide contained within some fruit seeds were only processed by cancer cells, it would not stay there and would quickly spread throughout the body. The enzyme that cyanide attacks exists in all cells.
People can and have died from ingesting laetrile.
It not only doesn't cure the cancer, but it can hasten death by weakening the body, even if it does not kill outright. And the cancer itself is not being treated at all, if they decide to forego chemo/radiation treatment because of a mistaken faith in the magic properties of laetrile.
Funny, but I think you have seeds mixed up with chemotherapy, chemo acts by killing cells indiscriminately, killing the good and the bad, that's what makes folks using chem sick and the drug companies and medical folks rich
Why don't you take a cancer biology class and get back to me?
Isn't it funny how snake oil salesmen can literally package poison and tell people it is a miracle cure and they buy it, all while believing that the thousands of people who actually do the difficult research to understand diseases and come up with cures belong to some huge conspiracy?
May of us are working hard to rid the world of the scam called the FDA.
Thank God that the vast majority of people understand the role of the FDA and understand that scammers' most cherished dream is a nightmare for everyone else. The FDA isn't going anywhere, thank God.
I promise you Dr. exDemMom MD we won't fall for your scam much longer.
That's Dr. exDemMom, PhD.
I take public health very seriously. That is why I take the time to post every time I see scams and pseudoscience posted on this forum. I think that most people are smart enough to recognize scams and snake oil salesmen, but I also know that those snake oil salesmen are very sophisticated and misuse genuine research articles to convince people that they are legitimate. To help people understand the scam, I explain the science--the real science--so that they can understand the basis of the scam.
Meanwhile, a close Friend of my Wife not yet 60 Years Old was diagnosed with Breast Cancer, the same thing that killed her Mother 20 Years ago. Since her Mother had Chemotherapy at the time and did not survive, she decided that must have been the reason her Mother died so she decided to go the Voodoo route. This is a Smart Woman, but she made up her mind and that was that. The Die was Cast.
Now, one year later she has Bone Cancer and will end up in Hospice Care soon. The Voodoo did nothing for her. It was heartbreaking to watch her slide downhill and now we know she kept a lot from her Husband, Family and Friends. She wanted to believe, and nothing would change her mind. She has been in constant Pain throughout and still chose not to seek normal Medical Treatment options.
Odds are she would have probably stopped the spread of her Breast Cancer had she chosen modern Medical Care which has improved by leaps and bounds since her Mother died.
The result, she will leave behind a Grieving Family, a loving Husband and Two Grown Children. My Wife cries over this every night knowing her Friend will Die much too soon.
The reason you go through Chemo, Radiation and other actions is because failing to do and relying on Voodoo will make any normal Treatment Options less effective once the silly “alternative” Medicine routine fails to deliver.
With Cancer, early detection and treatment is the key. Delaying it hoping some Magic Herb, Fruit Juice or Enzyme Treatment will miraculously Cure you is like going to a Benny Hinn Revival and hoping to get a spot on the Stage.
There will always be those special miraculous cases that you are referring to, but they are few and far between. As I said, I would be Dead if not for Chemotherapy. There are wiser People than I that dedicate their entire lives to eradicating Cancer, in my case Leukemia, but at least I am still here to tell the tale.
I would never recommend “alternative” Medicine. I have seen both sides and I know of what I speak.
Yes, that is correct. Laetrile is essentially ground up apricot pits.
Laetrile, completely bogus.
You see, you I don't know, I have no idea who or what you are, I don't know your character or your integrity. BUT, I do know the Pastor, I know he had colon cancer, I know he didn't use Chemo I know he wasn't offered radiation, I do know he sued Apricots and Kernels and prayer and saliva. I do know his honesty, his integrity and his being alive today.
I have looked him the eye since then, I have eaten with him, laughed with him and watched him get muscle tone back.
What you call 'vodoo' we call medicine, what you call medicine, we call poison.
So, while I was typing, I spoke to him and asked if you called. He said that he has not had a call from anyone this afternoon that he did not know.
So, your labeling something you know nothing about and didn't even call to find out anything about it seems to lead me to believe that you must have had someone else doing your research for your 'PhD'.
Funny, odd funny. When I was young and in school, pancreatic cancer was considered rare and unusual. Hardly anyone ever saw it and it was known as a rapid killer.
Now there is a lot of PC and I don’t know whether it is better diagnostic techniques, better imaging, or more PC in general. If the last is the case, the question is: why?
/johnny
Thanks for that info.
But I would be skeptical about the accuracy of that report, since the footnote cites MSNBC and AP.
It is surely within the realm of medical possibility, though, that she could have survived six years to date with her pancreatic cancer diagnosis if it was detected very early.
I am always surprised when I mention healthcare ministries to people and they start picking them apart for nonsensical reasons. We are so happy that this option is available to us.
Are you for real??? Do you seriously expect me to call some phone number someone sends me on the internet and give you access to my name and phone number, while you pressure me to give you even more info so you can more easily access my bank and credit cards?
Now, I do not know if "Pastor Bob" is your shill, or you would have slipped into the persona of "Pastor Bob" had I called--either way, I am not interested in becoming a victim of your con job.
For all the years I have spent trying to educate people against health-related scams, you are the first actual con man I have encountered. I certainly did not expect my efforts to educate people so they don't fall for scammers like you to actually make me a target of a scammer. Do not attempt to scam me again. I will be contacting an anti-scam organization to report this attempt (they'll probably have seen this approach before, but I want to add to their database).
As the old saying goes, I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.
For anyone else who reads this, be aware that scammers hook their marks with anecdotal testimony and often employ shills who pretend that they profited from whatever it is that the scammer is trying to sell you, whether it's a miracle snake oil or an investment scheme.
Don't be taken in. Do your homework. Therapeutic drugs are registered with the FDA. The documents related to the drug approval are public record, and anyone can access them. I suggest using Google to search for them, not the FDA website (the search engine of the FDA is not very good). Clinical trials that demonstrate drug safety and efficacy are published and databased at www.pubmed.org. Again, anyone can access this database and at least read abstracts about the clinical trial results. Another resource is www.clinicaltrials.org, which lists a large number of trials--not all of them yet, but the goal is for every clinical trial taking place to be registered there. The WHO also maintains a clinical trial database, and you can sometimes find a trial there that isn't registered on the US site.
Scammers often provide references that look real to "prove" that their snake oil actually does cure everything. However, they engage in a practice called "cherry picking", which is to say that they are very selective about quotes from those references, and do not provide any context for those quotes. For example, I could sell dioxin supplements and tell you that they prevent breast cancer, which is true. But I would be deceiving you by not telling you the whole picture, which is that dioxin also causes other types of cancer, disrupts the immune system, and causes birth defects. Scammers also invent references that look real but are utter fiction--they count on you not to fact-check the references for yourself. If a miracle drug does what its promoters claim, you should be able to find references supporting such a claim for yourself--if the only references are those which those selling it provide, and you can't find other references in the medical literature, be suspicious.
In the case of laetrile, there is no data to support its use as a cancer treatment. A search of "laetrile clinical trial" on PubMed returns 32 results, most of which discuss the non-effectiveness of laetrile against cancer and confirm its dangers.
In closing, I will quote from a published review of cancer "treatments":
Alternative cancer cures: "unproven" or "disproven"?
Vickers A.
Abstract
Oncology has always coexisted with therapies offered outside of conventional cancer treatment centers and based on theories not found in biomedicine. These alternative cancer cures have often been described as "unproven," suggesting that appropriate clinical trials have not been conducted and that the therapeutic value of the treatment is unknown. Contrary to much popular and scientific writing, many alternative cancer treatments have been investigated in good quality clinical trials, and they have been shown to be ineffective. In this article, clinical trial data on a number of alternative cancer cures including Livingston-Wheeler, Di Bella Multitherapy, antineoplastons, vitamin C, hydrazine sulfate, Laetrile, and psychotherapy are reviewed. The label "unproven" is inappropriate for such therapies; it is time to assert that many alternative cancer therapies have been "disproven."
Your bullshit has become boring. Go away.
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He immediately put me at ease and said that if you had to have pancreatic cancer this was the type to have. They found it early and it was just shy of the size these type tumors start producing islet cells and spread. I was scheduled for surgery (robot assisted laparoscopic). He said that it should take about 5 hours and if everything went as expected, after the Friday surgery, I should be back to work on Wednesday.
It ended up not going too well because of way my blood vessels were. Instead of taking just the tumor as planned they had to take almost 40% of my pancreas and my spleen. It took over 10 hours and my wife said when the surgeon came to see her he looked totally exhausted. But, the surgery was a success. Prior to this he had told me that he wouldn't really know until he got inside me and looked around if they'd be able to operate. If not they would close me up and I might have 7 years because of how slow these tumors grow and spread. There would be no chemo or radiation either way. It was 7 years in January and my last MRI was clean.
I did have some issues. The day after the surgery I came down with a very serious case of pneumonia in both lungs and went into full respiratory arrest. I spent 12 days in the hospital, 5 in the ICU.
My point is that Steve Jobs could have easily survived his cancer if he had relied on modern medicine instead of new age voodoo. Sorry for the long post.
Thank you for telling your story and I’m glad things worked out for you!
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