[Robert Teesdale]

So I must presume the bikers are innocent until proven guilty as charged by factual evidence presented in a court of law and decided upon by a jury of their peers.

Since when did the Constitution mean a goddamn thing any more?

1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and 8th Amendment violations are all over the map here.

Good fodder for those who get all sticky and excited about "mowing down" "criminal gangs" and especially love the gleam on the boot which comes down on the face of their fellow men.

It's almost as if they don't think it can go both ways.

[Texicanus]

Since when did the Constitution mean a goddamn thing any more?

This is Texas, and we still believe in our rights under the Constitution and Bill of Rights to restrain an over-reaching government. We are very concerned about keeping those rights. In a way, Texas is the last stand against those who would destroy our state and way of life in the name of liberal socialism and nationalism.

You are correct in that there appears to be violations everywhere in this incident. Unless there is factual evidence to the contrary, justice is not being given to these men.

In Texas, we don't give a damn about how other states think we should deliver our justice. Also, we don't give a damn what liberal socialists in Washington think about us either. We want to be free to live as we see fit under our Constitution and Bill of Rights. As we choose and elect our representatives to state and federal government, we expect them to fairly represent us, not some political party.

We had a Republic, a Constitution, and a Bill of Rights before we joined the Union of States in 1845. We have a unique heritage having experienced the governments of Mexico, Spain, France, and others. Therefore, we do not wish to submit to any tyrannical acts by our government and we're getting pretty pissed.

So we will be watching very closely to see how this situation plays out for everyone involved.