Posted on 05/23/2015 10:44:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Where is the Bill? or, Is it like CA’s Nancy Pelosoi, “We have to pass the bill in order to find out what is in it.” Be wary of a government that does bills in secret, because he freedoms that taken for granted can be removed.
Just wondering - secrets - Gun Control, Marital Law, UN’s Agenda 25 - Universal health Care, (that the US has failed to sign on to since 1948), UN’s Agenda 21 that the US has failed to sign on to too!
What other bag of tricks has Obama put into the secret trade deal. Why are the Republicans giving Obama everything that he wants? Idiots all of them in DC!
Alcohol does bad things to ones brain. What else could could John’s problem be. Put an alcoholic in that position this is what we get.
This is an outrage.
Why don’t you just lay out the details and explain why this is a good agreement?
It’s not a free trade treaty. There’s much misinformation going on about this bill. It simply gives the President the right to negotiate a free trade treaty without Congress being allowed to amend it. It still would need to be ratified by Congress it with an up or down vote.
It’s a big hub-bub about nothing. Allowing Congress to amend a free trade deal is stupid on all counts. If it’s a bad trade deal, vote it down and send the President back to the drawing board to get another one done.
This is the best Congress money can buy.
“Can someone, anyone, please show in definitive terms why the TPP is treasonous?”
Would you sign a blank check and turn it over to a bank robber? Would you sign a contract without reading/knowing what it is about? Why would you trust Obama? Why would Congress want to give more power to Obama? The classified status is unconstitutional, besides being craven.
Boehner and McConnell are so blackmailed.
And we have a bunch of GOP Senators so disconnected from the reality of their base, they are endeavoring to get unelected.
BTTT
Boehner will be back home for the Memorial Day weekend. It is about time his constituents stage some (peaceful, but loud) protest of their own.
And we know that because they say so?
We have no clue what else has been added to the bill. If it is good for us why not make it public? How can a trade bill be classified?
Article II, Section II, Clause ii of the US Constitution says that any international Treaty must be ratified by 2/3 of the Senate.
TPA/Fast Track allows a bypass of this provision, EXACTLY as was developed for Obama's nuke deal with Iran.
Rather than requiring POTUS to present a negotiated deal to the Senate for ratification, they pre-load a law that says the deal takes effect with 51 votes, no amendments allowed...and no filibuster allowed (60 vote threshold.
It is clearly and absolutely unconstitutional.
So, is that what you are on this site advocating?
See my post #37.
And then combine the circumvention of the constitution with the secrecy...keeping the details of a binding, international treaty secret from the American people.
How could it NOT be treasonous?
Aiding and abetting enemies of the Constitution and the American people is clearly treasonous.
Also, please consider if you will, Reagan proposed the details of START I and II publicly and negotiated those details openly....then presented the result to the Senate for ratification.
We can negotiate a Nuclear Arms Control treaty in the open, but a Trade deal must be classified?
How the hell is that a good thing?
A bought and paid for congress. The one running for senator or congressman who spends the most money gets elected 95% of the time. Corporate unelected international elite write the laws and bills and their puppets in Washington pass them as they are instructed.
92 million out of work and about to get a lot worse. Sending more jobs to low wage countries.
It is secret because Americans are not going to like it but to get the money to be reelected these sellouts in Washington are screwing the American people again.
Mammon runs the country. GOP and dems are two sides of the same coin.
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