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Boy Scouts’ President Calls for End to Ban on Gay Leaders
New York Times ^ | May 21, 2015 | ERIK ECKHOLM

Posted on 05/21/2015 10:42:22 AM PDT by reaganaut1

The president of the Boy Scouts of America on Thursday called for an end to the group’s blanket ban on gay adult leaders, warning Scout executives that “we must deal with the world as it is, not as we might wish it to be,” and that “any other alternative will be the end of us as a national movement.”

At the same time, religious organizations that sponsor a majority of local Scout troops, including the Mormons and Roman Catholics, should remain free to set their own policies for leaders, said the president, Robert M. Gates, the former director of the C.I.A. and the former secretary of defense.

Mr. Gates called for the changes at an annual national meeting of the group, in Atlanta. He said that he was not yet making a formal proposal but that the Scouts’ governing body should take up the issue formally at a future meeting.

The treatment of gay men and boys has been a source of wrenching debate over the last decade. Conservative religious groups that sponsor many Scout troops, including the Mormon Church and the Roman Catholic Church, have opposed the participation of openly gay members while local leaders in more liberal areas have called for an end to the ban.

In 2013, Boy Scout leaders from across the country voted, with more than 60 percent approval, to say that no youth may be denied membership “on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone.” But it left intact the policy that no openly gay adults could serve in the organization.

Since then, a Scout group in New York has defied that policy by employing an openly gay leader, and several other groups around the country have expressed opposition to the ban.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; deathofthewest; foxinthehenhouse; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; pedophilia; robertgates; scouting
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To: reaganaut1

bump for later


121 posted on 05/21/2015 7:06:15 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The "legacy of slavery" is not an excuse for inexcusable behavior. --Thomas Sowell)
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To: reaganaut1

Compass, Broken; 1 each.

Once upon a time this was a useful instrument for pointing the direction a boy should go. Today, not so much - as the needle has fallen off and rendered the tool into a directionally errant piece of plastic memorabilia.
122 posted on 05/21/2015 10:17:30 PM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionally blank.)
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To: Westbrook
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Most people think that when we do these things God will withdraw His Blessings. I think these things happen after God has withdrawn his Blessing.

123 posted on 05/21/2015 11:01:05 PM PDT by itsahoot (55 years a republican-Now Independent. Will write in Sarah Palin, no matter who runs. RIH-GOP)
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To: reaganaut1

IMO— it is because there is a vast underground of pedophiles throughout our governmental bureaucracies. Dirty old men who like little boys mostly. The word for them is queers.

Just barely exposed, the level of protection built in for them— for example the Penn State Sandusky debacle. This was a large network of co-enablers and fellow queers. There is no doubt about it.

This was exposed in the UK years ago and persists here.

The Boy Scouts of America has had to deal with old queers wanting to “get close” to developing boys— for years. And now this moron, Gates (an Eagle Scout btw) says the solution is to “let it happen” to save on money— Bull crap!
Maybe he is one too— come on out Gates “old boy”.


124 posted on 05/21/2015 11:52:07 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Amen. This is NO solution Gates proposes. He must be one of them,too.


125 posted on 05/21/2015 11:53:01 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: reaganaut1

Well, Robbie Gates is a scout. How wonderful!


126 posted on 05/22/2015 12:05:21 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: reaganaut1

Hope everyone gets their kids out of the Cub/Boy Scouts if they go through with this.


127 posted on 05/22/2015 1:05:06 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: reaganaut1
How did an unhealthy lifestyle attain such political dominance? I don't get it.

First hint: They all went to Harvard and Yale together.

Second hint: Gates is part of that swishy-squishy rotten core of the GOP that has held the party thrall (or should I say, "bent over"?) since Bush 41 blackmailed his way onto the Reagan ticket in 1980. Maybe longer.

But Gates is tough! While he was president of Texas A&M University (a project of Bush Senior's, to turn A&M into Yale West and show his soigne' East Coast Bonesman-buddies how much civilizing pull he had over those redneck knuckle-draggers, that he could teach them to sip wine with their pinkies stuck out and trill little jokes en Francaise.

Gates showed one redneck kid how it was! Kid had a little confederate-flag sticker an inch square on his footlocker in the Corps of Cadets dormitory: Gates sent the word down, that that Odious Symbol was coming off his footlocker within the hour, or the kid was out of the Corps in a flash! I was so knocked out, when I read that -- Gates is tough! On a pimply kid from Jasper or Texarkana. Yeah, sure 'nuff.

Hey, Gates, how tough are you on diesel dykes raping women in U.S. Army barracks? On gay sergeants coming on to private soldiers' privates? Oh, really? No? Didn't think so.

Hypocritical elitist bastard.

128 posted on 05/22/2015 1:44:19 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
Why can’t the homosexuals be satisfied to accept things as they are and leave the Boy Scouts alone? They want to get their hands on our children.

While the gays would love to get their hands on these children, the non-gay liberals are happy just to let this destroy the Boy Scouts. Having an organization dedicated to instilling traditional values has no place in their brave new world.
129 posted on 05/22/2015 1:46:16 AM PDT by Rastus
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To: kingu
Because the national council is selling the Boy Scouts piece by piece to the 2%, and that is a national crime.

I concur, it is the kind and intensity of crime that nations can and will be held accountable for.

The idea of "no accountability" is one of the original, root abuses of the Left, remember.

130 posted on 05/22/2015 1:53:42 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Pollster1
BSA needs to go with three-deep leadership, just to make it harder for the perverts to pair double-team kids on camping trips. Better, they could man up and say that, no, BSA is not a candy store for predators. It’s sad what has happened to a formerly great organization.

You'll never sell that to the predators. As far as they're concerned, it's all over but the picking over and feasting. The BSA has failed the test of manhood, and their enemies know it. Here they come.

131 posted on 05/22/2015 2:03:00 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: FreedomStar3028

Of course, they are I old school terminology, “camping” but they wouldn’t go far without factors on the inside of the U.S. Camping isn’t lazy either, but it involves abstaining fr a brute force assault on the main enemy.


132 posted on 05/22/2015 5:51:36 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: reaganaut1
“any other alternative will be the end of us as a national movement.”

Translation: corporate sponsors are getting heat for contributing to a "homophobic" organization. Not bowing before the LGBT activists will mean the end of HQ staff being able to get big paychecks.

Better to abandon big corporate sponsors and have the HQ be staffed by retired volunteers, than do this. If they do this, it will be the END of scouting. Period.

133 posted on 05/22/2015 6:00:59 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Slyfox

“The government will hold the gay card to some regard in all churches. Some sort of punishment will be thought up for all the pastors and priests who refuse to marry the gays.

“Some sort of punishment” has always been forthcoming in nations that require its citizens to bow to Baal. I just hope Christians in this nation realize, when that time comes, that “the government made me do it” isn’t an acceptable excuse for denying one’s faith. Losing material things is a small inconvenience compared to losing ones soul.


134 posted on 05/22/2015 6:02:06 AM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: longfellowsmuse

“My thoughts, first, the sexual revolution of the 60’s gave birth to a culture that embraced the idea that sexual intercourse was first and foremost for pleasure with pregnancy a consequence to be mostly avoided...once it became acceptable to have sex outside of marriage, all pleasurable perversions became acceptable.”

I agree. I also think the “women’s movement” has done its part to advance this hedonistic view. Even Christian women of today will be ready to lift your scalp if you dare voice the opinion that Scripture says woman was made for man as a helpmate and to reproduce and should never usurp his power
or try to rule over him. If that doesn’t get you burned at the stake by the “Sisterhood”, make the remark that there are, most likely, no female angels. You will NOT experience a civil debate! :)


135 posted on 05/22/2015 6:14:20 AM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: reaganaut1

THE ENEMY WITHIN

This man is disgusting and should be tossed out immediately.

I grew up in an environment where almost all my friends were Cub Scouts and then Boy Scouts.

I shudder to think how vulnerable we all were on those long hikes and camping trips.

But we never had a single questionable incident.
Our leaders were some of the finest people I have ever known.
They provided guidance, education and protection.

They did not prey on us.

The Scouts are an organization dedicated to serving the young scouts.
Their safety and well being are paramount.
Not the frail egos of homosexuals who want to pretend they are normal - but just in a different way.


136 posted on 05/22/2015 7:17:14 AM PDT by Iron Munro (We may be paranoid but that doesn't mean they aren't really after us)
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To: reaganaut1

I am not that old. But I can remember a day when this country wasn’t run by perverts and Communists. It was a MUCH better place. It’s all down hill culturally from here, short of national repentance before God.


137 posted on 05/22/2015 7:32:14 AM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: Aleya2Fairlie
“the government made me do it”

Robert Gates is preemptively determining that statement. The thing is he claims that they have to keep up with the times and that legal action will somehow be a nightmare if they don't allow the gays in full force.

He must not have a clue as to the amount of legal action and loss of revenue the Boy Scouts will experience due to them opening the canvas of the tent to the perverts. Yeah, I said it - PERVERTS!!!

He is a real idiot. Just lay down Bob, and let everyone kick you in the @$$.

138 posted on 05/22/2015 7:35:08 AM PDT by Slyfox (If I'm ever accused of being a Christian, I'd like there to be enough evidence to convict me)
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To: Biggirl
Look for a number of churches to ... calling it quits in regards to that “tax exempt status.”

I think that would be a blessing in disguise. Isn't it the tax exempt status that prevents churches from engaging in political advocacy? Perhaps it's time churches took a more active role framing morality in real political terms.
139 posted on 05/22/2015 8:18:23 AM PDT by chrisser (This space for rent.)
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To: thorvaldr

I wonder how NAMBLA played into all this. I understand they may have played a role in helping the liberal gay community in establishing credence in our society. I also understand Nancy Pelosi marched along side with the founder of the San Francisco Gay Parade, who just happen to be a supporter of NAMBLA.


140 posted on 05/22/2015 8:28:29 AM PDT by Patriot Babe
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