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Pressed on abortion, Paul told the audience that, under the Constitution's federalist principles, abortion would be handled “best by the states.” Conservative jurists have debated whether the Constitution gives the federal government the right to regulate abortion.

To make national policy, the nation needs to decide “when life begins,” he said, according to The Daily Caller. “I think we go down all kinds of rabbit holes talking about other stuff.”

In other words, Rand Paul is pro-choice-by-state just like his father. He believes that the states can define ANYONE as a "non-person" and then kill them.

This is simply the libertarian version of, "I'm personally opposed, but..." mantra. It is designed to insure that the American Holocaust continues unabated.

1 posted on 05/20/2015 6:41:13 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 05/20/2015 6:41:39 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

The GOP in general seems to want to kick the social issues to the curb in order to focus on economics. Not a winning strategy IMHO.


3 posted on 05/20/2015 6:42:49 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: wagglebee

Rand Paul is also not interested in stopping the invasion/cheap labor importation/colonization of our country.


4 posted on 05/20/2015 6:43:03 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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5 posted on 05/20/2015 6:43:10 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Money more important than murder.


6 posted on 05/20/2015 6:43:42 AM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: wagglebee; Jack Black

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7 posted on 05/20/2015 6:45:01 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: wagglebee

Can’t get the country’s fiscal life in order until its moral life is in order. Paul is a chip of the ol’ blockhead.


8 posted on 05/20/2015 6:46:47 AM PDT by twister881
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To: wagglebee

It is good to have a starting point. He is a doctor not an economist.


10 posted on 05/20/2015 6:49:09 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: wagglebee
To overlook the ideology which drives the "progressive" agenda and, therefore, the debt, with all of its dire consequences, one must examine why that same agenda places such emphasis on "abortion" as critical to achievement of "progressive" goals.

Consider the following:

A couple of years ago, on a FR forum related to current government abortion policy, "livius" posted: "This is worse than before. What we are now being forced to pay for is essentially a government funded and (as yet) indirectly government administered population control program." - livius

That observation was and is pertinent to any discussion of the unbending coercive position "progressives" insist upon whenever the matter of "abortion" is discussed.

Writers have been exposing socialism's tyrannical principles and goals for a century now. Those who have understood it best declared that its policies lead to tyranny and oppression.

Yet, we have arrogant Americans, born in liberty, and viewing themselves as "intellectuals" and "progressives," who have embraced socialist ideas over the ideas of liberty and are determined to impose its deadly limitations on a once-free people.

As you read the following excerpt from the late-19th Century writer, note the writer's warning that the "scheme of socialism is wholly incomplete unless it includes the power of restraining the increase of population."

The following excerpt has been posted on FR previously; however, its conclusions are pertinent to this discussion:

From the Liberty Fund Library is "A Plea for Liberty: An Argument Against Socialism and Socialistic Legislation," edited by Thomas Mackay (1849 - 1912), originally published in 1891, Chapter 1, excerpted final paragraphs from Edward Stanley Robertson's essay:

"I have suggested that the scheme of Socialism is wholly incomplete unless it includes a power of restraining the increase of population, which power is so unwelcome to Englishmen that the very mention of it seems to require an apology. I have showed that in France, where restraints on multiplication have been adopted into the popular code of morals, there is discontent on the one hand at the slow rate of increase, while on the other, there is still a 'proletariat,' and Socialism is still a power in politics.
I.44
"I have put the question, how Socialism would treat the residuum of the working class and of all classes—the class, not specially vicious, nor even necessarily idle, but below the average in power of will and in steadiness of purpose. I have intimated that such persons, if they belong to the upper or middle classes, are kept straight by the fear of falling out of class, and in the working class by positive fear of want. But since Socialism purposes to eliminate the fear of want, and since under Socialism the hierarchy of classes will either not exist at all or be wholly transformed, there remains for such persons no motive at all except physical coercion. Are we to imprison or flog all the 'ne'er-do-wells'?
I.45
"I began this paper by pointing out that there are inequalities and anomalies in the material world, some of which, like the obliquity of the ecliptic and the consequent inequality of the day's length, cannot be redressed at all. Others, like the caprices of sunshine and rainfall in different climates, can be mitigated, but must on the whole be endured. I am very far from asserting that the inequalities and anomalies of human society are strictly parallel with those of material nature. I fully admit that we are under an obligation to control nature so far as we can. But I think I have shown that the Socialist scheme cannot be relied upon to control nature, because it refuses to obey her. Socialism attempts to vanquish nature by a front attack. Individualism, on the contrary, is the recognition, in social politics, that nature has a beneficent as well as a malignant side. The struggle for life provides for the various wants of the human race, in somewhat the same way as the climatic struggle of the elements provides for vegetable and animal life—imperfectly, that is, and in a manner strongly marked by inequalities and anomalies. By taking advantage of prevalent tendencies, it is possible to mitigate these anomalies and inequalities, but all experience shows that it is impossible to do away with them. All history, moreover, is the record of the triumph of Individualism over something which was virtually Socialism or Collectivism, though not called by that name. In early days, and even at this day under archaic civilisations, the note of social life is the absence of freedom. But under every progressive civilisation, freedom has made decisive strides—broadened down, as the poet says, from precedent to precedent. And it has been rightly and naturally so.
I.46
"Freedom is the most valuable of all human possessions, next after life itself. It is more valuable, in a manner, than even health. No human agency can secure health; but good laws, justly administered, can and do secure freedom. Freedom, indeed, is almost the only thing that law can secure. Law cannot secure equality, nor can it secure prosperity. In the direction of equality, all that law can do is to secure fair play, which is equality of rights but is not equality of conditions. In the direction of prosperity, all that law can do is to keep the road open. That is the Quintessence of Individualism, and it may fairly challenge comparison with that Quintessence of Socialism we have been discussing. Socialism, disguise it how we may, is the negation of Freedom. That it is so, and that it is also a scheme not capable of producing even material comfort in exchange for the abnegations of Freedom, I think the foregoing considerations amply prove."
EDWARD STANLEY ROBERTSON


18 posted on 05/20/2015 7:11:24 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: wagglebee

He really has the heart of a libertarian. Combine that with what appears to me to be an overweening ambition, and you have a recipe for a RINO sellout.


20 posted on 05/20/2015 7:18:08 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: wagglebee
um..

that's a disqualifying comment.

Sorry Rand, you just lost any chance you ever had of getting my vote.

22 posted on 05/20/2015 7:26:38 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
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To: wagglebee

A “republic” by definition does not permit MURDER.

The Constitution mandates that each state shall have a “republican form of government.”

So abortion is FORBIDDEN by the U.S. Constitution.

Ron and Rand must have not read it.


23 posted on 05/20/2015 7:32:37 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: wagglebee; All

If you are a single issue voter and this is your issue then I guess you will get what you have always gotten....nothing.


24 posted on 05/20/2015 7:32:58 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: wagglebee

He’s a typical libertarian. Tight with his money but having no moral compass.


28 posted on 05/20/2015 7:50:44 AM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: wagglebee

He entered politics because there’s money in it.


30 posted on 05/20/2015 7:58:02 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: wagglebee

Great Rand. You care if they spend too much. You care if they snoop on people.

But you don’t care if they’re killing folks????


37 posted on 05/20/2015 8:58:13 AM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: wagglebee

“Eyes, I just do eyes.”

One of my favorite quotes from “Bladerunner.”


48 posted on 05/20/2015 9:51:18 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: wagglebee

Id never defend Rand Paul but some pro life folks, while good intentioned, wont take yes for an answer. If abortion isnt talked about CONSTANTLY by someone then they get labeled as anti pro life. These folks are there own worst enemies.


71 posted on 05/20/2015 12:06:35 PM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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Do any of you even read the article? He is not looking to legislate abortion specifically. He believes that the federal government needs to define when life begins. If you define that life begins at conception, the constitution already has in place protections for life. Attempting to federally legislate abortion, as a crime, is a losing battle. Feel free to read the articles and conduct some rational thinking before replying and calling Rand Paul pro-choice.
77 posted on 05/20/2015 1:08:14 PM PDT by UWMechE
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To: wagglebee
What this country needs is a spiritual revival, not just another politician with an agenda.

If hearts are right, then the correct policies will follow.

113 posted on 05/21/2015 6:54:16 AM PDT by Gritty (The more we submit to violent jihadi intimidation, the more we are going to get-Robert Spencer)
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