Posted on 05/19/2015 8:25:25 PM PDT by FreetheSouth!
Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, died of gunshot wounds of the head and trunk.
Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, died of gunshot wounds to the neck.
Richard Vincent Kirshner, Jr., 47, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
Richard Matthew Jordan, III, 31, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, died of gunshot wounds to the head and trunk.
Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
Matthew Mark Smith, 27, died of gunshot wounds to the trunk
Manuel Issac Rodriguez, 40, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
And Charles Wayne Russell, 46, died of gunshot wounds to the chest.
Reporting now indicating that all deceased were killed by police gunfire. Reporting now indicating 27 people shot by police, 8 still in hospital. Reporting lowers weapons confiscated to less than 50, mostly pocket knives, chains (attached to wallets?), nail clippers, one padlock and firearms (CCP fired or unfired?).
From the outset the police description of events at the Twin Peaks (Waco) Gang Shooting seemed oddly self-serving, super efficient/fast, and unusually specific for a mass casualty event outlined in under 3 hours. It was *as if* they wanted to get out ahead of something.
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One of the original claims, that was still maintained by officials last night, was the origin of the gang violence beginning in a restroom of the bar/grill and spilling outside.
Additionally, the police originally stated that all gang member gunfire was inside the building, and all the deceased were shot inside the restaurant.
However, a report outlining the 500 page construct of the police affidavit and arrest warrant(s) claims that all events happened outside in the parking lot:
[…] The affidavit goes on to say three or more members or associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club were in the parking lot of the restaurant when they confronted three or more members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club when the Banditos arrived at the parking lot.
After the two rival groups met in the parking lot a fight broke out, the affidavit says.
“During the course of the altercation, members and associates of the Cossacks and Banditos brandished and used firearms, knives, or other unknown edged weapons, batons, clubs, brass knuckles and other weapons,:” the affidavit says.
The affidavit says the gang members fired at each other and then when police tried to stop the fight, they began firing at officers.
Waco police officers returned fire striking multiple gang members,” the affidavit says (link)
Additionally the police went to great lengths to state the franchise owner/operator of the Twin Peaks restaurant would not cooperate with law enforcement and refused to cancel the event despite the demands of local law enforcement.
However, that too is factually disputed by the owner/operator:
[…] Late Monday afternoon the restaurant’s operators issued another statement in which they said law enforcement officials did not ask the operator or the franchisor to cancel the patio reservation on Sunday.
The event Sunday afternoon was not a Bike Night, the statement said, but instead the result of a “regular patio reservation made by a female customer who has been to the restaurant previously.”
“Based on the information to date, we also believe that the violence began outside in the area of the parking lot, and not inside our restaurant or on our patio, as has been widely reported,” the statement said.
[…] “We are in the process of gathering additional facts, and urge that people avoid rushing to judgment before those facts are fully known,” the [franchise owner] statement said. (link)
It would appear there are several contradictions with the initial -and ongoing- claims by Waco Police Spokesperson Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton. Including last night:
[…] Shots were fired inside the restaurant and bikers were shot, stabbed and beaten before the fight quickly moved outside to the parking lot, Swanton said
Just to refresh our memory, here is Swanton’s first Presser again: (this took place at approximately 3:00pm CST Sunday)
In addition, the number of uniformed police who were surrounding the building during the timeframe the bikers arrived at the event has increased from 12+ (original report) to more than 18+. And now includes the police stating the entire uniformed SWAT division, vehicles, squad cars, MRAP, and all SWAT equipment were in the parking lot directly in front of the restaurant.
[…] Eighteen uniformed Waco police officers including an assistant chief, sergeants and one rookie were standing by outside the restaurant Sunday and responded within a matter of seconds after the violence broke out between members of five rival gangs, Swanton said
So when we consider the police visibility -including their assault rifles- and overlay the affidavit claim: “three or more members or associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club were in the parking lot of the restaurant when they confronted three or more members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club when the Banditos arrived at the parking lot“, you would have to think these are the stupidest gang members, or….. something else.
[…] As the officers responded, the bikers directed gunfire in their direction, police said.
“Our officers took fire and responded appropriately, returning fire,” he said.
There’s bound to be CCTV video at the restaurant/bar, that might help clear up some of the discrepancies if the video is ever made public.
However, it is worth noting the police themselves might have a vested interest in a very specific version of events, and no-one is visible yet to give any eye-witness information which might contradict that version.
It surely does seem odd that gang members would turn guns on heavily armed police who were directly in front of them, in the same parking lot, mere feet away. It also seems exceptionally fortunate that so far not a single stray bullet hit another building, vehicle or structure.
[…] Three of the dead were found in the parking lot just outside of the restaurant, four were found in front of the building and one had been dragged behind a neighboring restaurant. (link)
Yet, …all the gang shooting was inside, right. Right?
me either
Hey lurker
It’s sad how many JBTBLs on the forum right now
Truly pitiful and stupid
Do they not understand where we now are as a nation
Or just dumbasses talking smack
If they are cool with cops obliterating would be threats to society then send them to any minority urban locale
A target rich environment and all....far more than bikers
They don’t have the balls to say such but sure it’s ok about bad white guys
And these are patriots.....man we truly are fubar
How would that be one iota different than the NAZIs rounding up and gassing everyone identified as a Jew? What kind of conservative recommends trashing the Bill of Rights like that?
That’s what I thought when I first saw the pics
And where are the shot up cops and cop cars
All this heavy Leo show of force from the time the bike event started
Ringing the perimeter with shooters
And their course of action was to claim they expected management to tell 200 -300 bikers ...all of whom were not one percenters....to leave and be good boys
That is a laughable explanation .....
Who volunteers to tell Bandidos sergeant at arms he’s being evicted from the bar
I sure hope this report is wrong but something stinks here
And Freepers applauding murder is sick shit
1. Death certificate.
2. Gang member involved in concert at a felony.
3. The prosecution rests having met both proofs..
Who will investigate
Don’t be naive
DOJ and FBI civil rights black avengers love dead white guys who I doubt any loved Obama
Texas is unlikely to find itself guilty
Waco same thing
Civil suits and this silly overcharging nonsense by some JUSTICE OF THE PEACE
and media
Much as I regret that’s the only light gonna get shone here
Bandidos accept old line Texans of Mexican descent
Always have even back to Donald Chambers their founder but likely not mojados
I see over at breibart they are running with this truther smear headline about who shot who at Waco and the doubters like myself who are suspicious of so called facts
The original poster....Darby something is getting scorched over it which humours me and gives me faith in some conservatives
I see a familiar name there actually being reasonable
Hat tip sherman
Just to confuse people, sometimes I pretend to be reasonable.
Just to be clear, I’m withholding opinion on this case because there are few if any facts on the table now. As opposed to rumors and opinions.
I got seriously burned by the Trayvon case. I was out of the country and got only CNN and such “news.” It was, of course, reported that a white vigilante shot a black child for walking down the street.
This is not beyond the realm of possibility. Guys who would conceivably do such a thing exist. I’ve known some of them.
As the truth came out before and during trial I realized how badly I’d been duped.
On the other side, I’ve read lots of truther and birther stuff rejecting the official story which is just bad science and/or untrue. For instance, I’ve seen claims a missile, not a plane, hit the Pentagon. Problem is some of my personal friends were involved in the cleanup and found debris such as ID from passengers. I can guarantee you they weren’t involved in any coverup.
Sometimes the “official story” is true and sometimes it’s a lie. And the same is true of challenges to that story.
It sounds like your good friend wasn’t very smart going out side with bullets flying.
Hang around with criminals some times bad things happen.
I do find it telling that almost all of the dead were killed by head shots. The biker grapevine was saying three killed by cops on Sunday night FWIW.
If true, there goes the murder charges...against the bikers at least. It sounds to me like police snipers were doing the shooting, not bikers. It sounds like they were firing high powered rifles into a crowd of people in fact. Plenty of reasonable doubt there.
2. Gang member involved in concert at a felony.
It was a bar fight until there is evidence that proves otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt. So much reasonable doubt. This will go nowhere.
Bookmark.
“...I sure hope this report is wrong but something stinks here
And Freepers applauding murder is sick shit”
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I’m embarrassed that we have SO-CALLED FReepers who cheer on the assassination of American citizens by some out-of-control cops. It’s way beyond despicable and I disown these fans of Statist “peace officers” who engage in such criminality—they are NOT FReepers in my book.
*Update*
Reporting now indicating that ALL deceased were killed by police gunfire.
Reporting now indicating 27 people shot by police, 8 still in hospital.
Reporting lowers weapons confiscated to less than 50, mostly pocket knives, chains (attached to wallets?), nail clippers, one padlock and firearms (CCP fired or unfired?).
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This smells worse all the time. I support law enforcement, but am sceptical about Rogue DAs and POLs.
AND I DON’T TRUST FED GOV AGENCIES!
You can't really trust state ones either. Remember, The Feds managed to murder a hundred people in Waco, including 17 children several years back and yet we never heard a peep from the Texas Rangers.
I don't think the Jews were usually gangsters starting firefights in restaurants. That's how it would be one iota different.
“A good friend and brother of mine was shot in the face by the cops as they came outside to see what the hell was going on. He was very, very lucky. And as for being scum of the earth, dirty biker trash, he’s a retired oil exec. And a member of a very well known MC. Y’all don’t know anything about our world.”
I know enough to not hang around biker gangs ...
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