Posted on 05/14/2015 8:28:16 PM PDT by WilliamIII
Jeb Bush was left grasping for a response when a student challenged him during a meeting by declaring: "Your brother created Isis".
Mr Bush, the former governor of Florida and sibling of George W. Bush, was wrapping up a town-hall style discussion when Ivy Ziedrich, a 19-year-old student at the University of Nevada, commanded his attention by asking him to take a student question.
Her question revolved around a claim he made earlier in the meeting that America's retreat from the Middle East under the Obama administration was in part responsible for the rapid rise of the Isis terror group.
Ms Ziedrich lay the blame at George W. Bush's feet following on from his decision to disband the Iraqi Army, according to the The New York Times.
"It was when 30,000 individuals who were part of the Iraqi military were forced out — they had no employment, they had no income, and they were left with access to all of the same arms and weapons," Ms Ziedrich told him.
"Your brother created Isis."
(Excerpt) Read more at timesofindia.indiatimes.com ...
“Do you think there would be an ISIS if Saddam were still running Iraq?”
Why yes I do, but by another name, Al Qaeda.
I’ll bet half of the posters on this site agree.
ISIS was formed out of a merger of Mullah Krekar’s Ansar group, Saddam Hussein official al Dhouri’s intelligence bureau, and Zarqawi’s al Tawhid group; Zarqawi’s group was the one that was involved in the 1999 Millenium Plots, a plan involving coordinated attacks on the LAX airport and a hotel in Jordan used by US troops monitoring Iraq’s WMD, and other targets. The Millennium Plot was a year before the Gore War in Floriduh and well before Bush’s inaugeration.
Another retarded college idiot. What else is new?
Jeb Bush was left grasping for a response when a student challenged him during a meeting by declaring: “Your brother created Isis”.
So this maroon thinks Bush created Islam? Because that is what ISIS is.. Islam.......
ISIS is partly composed of Baath Party members. This goes back to Saddam’s decision, advised by al Dhouri, to court islamist groups and invite their leaders, including OBL himself , and more importantly, Ayman al Zawahiri, to Iraq. Saddam financed Palestinian suicide bombers, then began his grand mosque construction and also started giving speeches quoting the Quran to win islamists over which were posted on the Iraqi government’s Uruk web, using a server that also supported terror charity websites in the US such as Global Relief and the Holy Land Foundation ; he also paid Krekar’s group [which also had Baath intel officials as part of its leadership] to assassinate rival Kurdish groups Saddam knew were aligned with the US in the runup and aftermath of 9/11 in preparation for US invasion should it come.
Saddam and his sons had earlier flattered and praised OBL in 1998, taking particular delight in the US embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya and sent delegations of intel people to Sudan to “tsk-tsk” the Clinton admin in the wake of the US bombing of Idris’ pharmaceutical “aspirin” factory there.
Meetings were held between Saddam’s intel services and islamist groups long before Bush was elected , in Iraq and in different locations around the world, some of them hosted by Sudanese NIF leader Tourabi, who was also featured as a speaker at meetings held by cells in Florida, the same cell associated with Sami al Arian, as I recall.
Nonsense. Saddam hosted a World Trade Center bomber, gave him a house and a pension; he also funded the families of suicide bombers, and he armed and funded the Philippine Islamic group that was beheading tourists in the 90s. He also provided counterfeiting training to al Qaeda.
Baathist Iraq even hosted the Ayatollah Khomeini- a Shiite, whose supporters were seen by the Baathists as a useful foil against the Shah of Iran, before Khomeini moved to France. Saddam was not the leader then but he was part of the Baath party security apparatus.
The killing of Christians began BEFORE we toppled Saddam. Zarqawi’s Baghdad cell- in 2002 gruesomely decapitated a nun in Baghdad under the watchful eye of Saddam Hussein after Zarqawi was treated in a hospital that served regime elites. I doubt she was the only one that was murdered in that convent but it was hard to get news in those days since CNN was refusing to report on the regime for fear Saddam would cut them off from access.
There were supposed to be three nuns there the night Sister Cecilia was killed in August 2002. One report said the others were elsewhere when the three assassins showed up, so they converged on her. It was thought the murder was intended to be a message to the west by the regime as the regime showed no interest in condemning the attack or in solving the murder.
Iraqi and Iranian intel agencies were meeting with al AQaeda in the 1990s... long before Bush.
Interesting how those who claim taking out Sadam was a mistake in 2003 are the same who said it was a mistake to leave him alone in 1991 after routing Iraqi military out of Kuwait. Anyone recall like I do the left attacking GH Bush for not taking Hussein out in 1991?
Fast forward to 2011 when Onama declared the Iraq war won and removed all US troops as a result. Advice at the time was to keep a force of 10,000 in Iraq to counter an entity like ISIS and he didn’t.
In so far as if Sadam was still in power, then how many terrorists does he provide refuge too as he did prior to the war, what form of state sponsored terror does he find and he continues to kill tens of thousands of Iraqi’s to stay in power?
Jeb Bush not having a good response shows he clearly has not thought it through
The fact is, if Jeb is the nominee, the issue of the Iraq war will be front and center during the entire 2016 general election and Hillary will win in a landslide bigger than Reagan in 1984.
Iraq’s regime was wiping out Christian villages in northern Iraq in the late 1970s; jews as well... to alter the area’s demographics to the advantage of the regime. Apparently the regime’s token Christians like bribemaster Tariq Aziz didn’t object.
In the 80s the regime, being socialist, had no trouble turning ire towards Zoroastrians in an effort to turn Iraqi shia against Iran, claiming Iran was really a Zoroastrian state and the conflict was between the whole of Islam verses the Zoroastrian Persians. The regime at that time pumped some money and resources into shia communities to try to divide the shia loyalties.
And the Anfal campaign didn’t just kill muslim Kurds... Christians were killed in that, too.
Not to mention the regime forcibly relocated the religious oddities the Yazidis, kicking them from their rural homes into the town of Sinjar. [The regime had built “cities” - really prison camps, some enclosed by wire- in which to contain Kurds.]
Not to mention what the regime did to the Marsh Arabs.
Unlike ISIS the regime didn’t advertise. Unlike ISIS the regime owned the press, even foreign press- buying off the media with shiny Mercedes cars.
Yeah and he flew the planes into the World trade center,and Bill Clinton created the Jihadis who blew it up in 92,and Reagan created the jihadis who blew up the Marine Barracks,Muslims want to destroy the US,the fact is DEMOCRATS are allowing them to come closer to achieving their goal
This meme is lefty misdirection to relieve Obama from responsibility since he f’d up what ever he wanted to do in Syria. ISIS started in Syria, not Iraq.
It (ISIS) is the illegitimate child born of pure hate and pure fear – the result of 200,000 murdered Syrians and of millions more displaced and divorced from their hopes and dreams. Isis’s rise is also a reminder of how Bashar al-Assad’s Machiavellian embrace of al-Qaida would come back to haunt him.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/22/syria-iraq-incubators-isis-jihad
This meme is lefty misdirection to relieve Obama from responsibility since he f’d up what ever he wanted to do in Syria. ISIS started in Syria, not Iraq.
Absolutely. Excellent point.
She is a plant.
All the talk about Obama, by Bushbots on FR, is misdirection to keep people from blaming Bush for his stupid moves in Iraq.
not just the Iraq war, but also the near-depression of 2008
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