Posted on 05/12/2015 11:49:37 AM PDT by Colofornian
...yet I haven’t heard you whine about the entire tenor of whistles blown during playoffs just because many fouls are “let go” and some nonfouls are called)
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These points come from a Breibart article. Stop addressing me in a derogatory tone.
Go over here and do it:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3289051/posts
(a) the author of this piece...and other sports writers ...have addressed this...
In other cases, the culprits didn't engage in an overt coverup.
(b) Some of the other ball tampering has been suspected, but no "sting" operations during the games were engaged in to yield more evidence.
And, indeed, some writers are using the word "sting" because the Colts GM complained about this issue to the NFL BEFORE that playoff game.
IoW, the officiating crew was tipped off by the NFL to be aware of ball cheating.
This matter could readily be compared to any "sting" operation by law enforcement officials.
A "sting" catches somebody in the act.
And all the times that sting doesn't happen means the cheaters & the criminals are getting off scotfree.
Your statement therefore wreaks of a conclusion that just because law enforcement fails to perform more sting ops, the laws on the books for whatever violation that is "goes unpunished."
Stop addressing me as if I wrote those points. Go away you pest.
I’m sorry I marked up your thread. You seem to be really upset that there is another side to the story.
Oh.
So post #31 is where you are citing somebody else's apologetic ... all minus giving not only proper attribution there...but any attribution.
Well, hey, then: Your absence of attribution in post #31 is enough to warrant the genesis of something on the negative side, if not derogatory.
So post #31 is where you are citing somebody else’s apologetic ... all minus giving not only proper attribution there...but any attribution.
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Read the first line of #31.
If FR had a permanent ignore list you would be on it.
Waaaaahhhhhhh
I didn’t see in your post where you laid out fumbles per quarter, running plays per quarter, that kind of stuff.
I wasn’t doing any analysis, just pointing out things I would look for.
Based on what you said, you must have all this stuff figured out already, and I just haven’t seen it.
Or, you are just taking a couple big numbers and making some big assumptions.
Why would I want to lay out the running plays per quarter when over threequarters of fumbles don't even occur on designed running plays?
(More sloppy analysis)
Per The definitive analysis of offensive fumbles...
...Only 23.2 percent of fumbles occur on nonQB running plays.
Over 1/3rd of all fumbles are on QB sacks + QB negative runs.
21 percent are fumbles on receptions
18 percent occur on snaps...
less than 4 percent on QB running plays (positive yardage)
Thus, significantly more likely to be a fumble on a passing play than a running play...
See also: Fumble Rates by Play Type
Per this second link, fumbles occur on 2.04 percent of pass plays and only 1.16 percent of running plays. Fumbles occur on 18 percent of all sacks.
We know on average only 2.3 fumbles per game (NFL BY THE NUMBERS, which means for every two NFL games, 4.6 fumbles...about 1 of which comes on a reception; 1 on a RB rushing play...and the rest via the QB.
It seems to me with this post and post #24 that you assume fumbles are largely consigned to the RB...they are not...
Well, take a look at this sampling of the Quarterly Trends for the Falcons' Offense ... accumulative fumbles lost by quarter 2008-2013:
The Falcons, accumulatively for 2008 - 2012...lost the most fumbles in the 2nd qtr, followed by the 3rd qtr, and then the 4th qtr...In 2013, the Falcons lost more fumbles in the 4th qtr, then the 2nd qtr, then the 3rd qtr. The first quarter was the most consistent fumble-free quarter.
If you threw in the 2013 stats with the 2008-2012 accumulative stats, the 2nd qtr still outdoes the 4th qtr for more fumbles lost.
Otherwise, if you want to make a claim...like your post #24 did minus any stats or numbers, just an observation of yours not backed up by the stats...feel free...but it's basically an argument "from silence."
Brady should threaten to retire, that would make that little *itch Roger wet herself.
Yeah, see, I haven’t done all this analysis of the Pats vs the league.
If many fumbles occur from quarterback - how do the pats compare to other teams with sacks/pressure (or does that not affect fumble rates - I don’t know)?
What type of pass plays are more fumble prone, and where do the pats fall on that chart.
Sounds like you have some great superficial/general information. Now you can start to go from generalities to specifics. Does Brady’s style of holding the ball compare to qb’s that fumble a lot vs qb’s that dont (there has to be some reason that some qb’s fumble more...or maybe not)? What types of routes do they run? How have rule changes impacted fumble rates?
In baseball, they live and die by the specifics - how does a guy hit during a day game, on this surface, against this pitcher, on the road, with his wife sitting on the third-base side of the field? Ok, that last part is kinda gratuitous, but you get my point.
The actual numbers could be a lot more convincing that large and bold print.
This thing is far from over.
Hopefully, this finishes off Goodell the Cuckold.
And before some smartass makes a “Pats suck” remark, I’ve been calling for Goidell to be fired long before this.
That next year, the Patriots went undefeated for 18 straight games, ran up 41-to-10 or 50-to-7 scores with regularity, and only lost the Super Bowl due to a once-in a millon miracle catch by a guy you haven't heard of since.
That year was nothing compared to what Belichick and Brady will unleash on the league this year. Goodell has had his fun at playing, "You wanna screw with me?"
Now it's Bill and Tommy's turn. And it will be epic.
GO PATS! SCREW ALL THE WHINING LOSERS!!!
You can pretty much tell what state I live in, but I’m far from a “homer”. I e always been a 49ers fan. And I’ve been critical of NEW for not winning it all since Spygate. I congratulate them for winning this year.
I hope NEW goes undefeated and win it all. That will be the ultimate “FU” to everyone.
I agree with you: Screw you Roger and the rest of the whiners!!!
I covered this already last post...payin' attention, I would hope: 21 percent of all fumbles occur on sacks; 18 percent on snaps...
Does Brady’s style of holding the ball compare to qb’s that fumble a lot vs qb’s that dont (there has to be some reason that some qb’s fumble more...or maybe not)?
OK...MOST QB fumbles CANNOT be subjected to same analysis as other fumbles...
Think about it for a second...
(1) Snaps from center:
Almost ALL of these occur without the QB ever having actual control of the ball.
They are actually the equivalent of what is deemed a "muff" on a special teams return. By rule, for a fumble to occur on special teams, a returner has to have possession. So rules - from high school to the NFL - treat muffs differently to some degree than fumbles.
Now, since the offense ALREADY has down possession, when a snap is fumbled, yes it's statistically recorded as a "fumble" & not a "muff." But this constitutes a "team" possession...and not usually "personal" possession by the QB.
(2): QB sacks
When QBs retreat to pass...
...the ball is untucked...held up near the chest...
...the ball then is often transitioned to one hand, sometimes beginning to be extended to throw or a fumble may occur when the QB is already in the act of throwing...
...so the very nature of how the ball is held is precarious and subject to fumbles...regardless of whatever the psi is...
In addition to all of that, QB are usually looking downfield...
...so "surprises"...including surprise blitzes... offer another element that no other position has to deal with.
There's no way any analyst can treat QB fumbles the way others are treated. (I was hoping all of that would be obvious to you w/out be having to state all of that) , the QB doesn't see the man who causes the fumble.
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