Posted on 05/11/2015 2:35:44 PM PDT by drewh
You're comparing apples to oranges. The NFL system of punishment isn't comparable to our criminal justice system. One doesn't have to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Further, if this case was in the criminal justice system, Brady's computer and phone would have been seized and email and text messages that likely exist that implicate him would prove guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
The teams prepare and play with their own footballs.
No other team has been busted with deflated footballs.
Seattle beat themselves because their coach wouldn't run the ball into the end zone from the one-yard line.
Yes, and on page 69 of the report the investigators had the results of 4 Colt footballs that were also partly deflated below league standards. For whatever reason, not explained in the report, they did not check all 12.
True, but their evidence would not even pass muster in a civil court which is why an appeal will reduce the punishment to one game max...my prediction.
Brady is under no legal requirement, or league rules, to hand over personal property, only property of the league or team. Admission of guilt? Some might say so. I would not.
The league can and did take into account when they suspended him.
The NFL has absolute power to discipline players. His only recourse is an appeals process set by the league and agreed to by the players association.
He will appeal, and based on other appeals by players in the past, and the general lack of evidence, I predict he’ll get a one game suspension at most. I think the NFL expects this outcome, which is why they went with a 4 game suspension. I don’t think the team can appeal its punishment however.
Brady shredded the Seattle secondary the entire game. The nasty habit Seattle has of not playing until the second half came back to bite them square in the ass. It should have cost them the NFC title game, but the Packers bone-headed plays allowed them right back in it. So yes the Super Bowl was won by the best team, with the best quarterback in the NFL.
If someone robs a bank and gives you a wad of cash, are you innocent for spending what you know to be stolen money?
All kinds of anecdotal data out there about how he like softer balls and he could not have been unaware that the game balls were just how he likes them - made a difference in the path to and playing the Superbowl - in football, it don't get no bigger than that.
Lots of nonsense about this on these threads.
1. It doesn’t matter whether the rules infraction was material to the outcome of the game or not. Nobody applies that logic anywhere else - you’re allowed to cheat as long as you fail to change the outcome of the game.
2. There is not “no evidence”. There is circumstantial evidence in the report. It is clear to this reader of the report that the conclusion - “more probable than not that Brady knew” - is the correct conclusion. “No physical evidence”, “wouldn’t stand up in court” - none of this matters.
3. The rules governing this exercise are in a contract between people in a private business. The league and the players’ association have agreed on some things, among which is a concept “conduct detrimental to the game”. Brady agreed to the concept. Brady agreed, when he signed his contract, to the commissioner’s power to determine, and his certain rights to appeal, and the rules for the entire process. Brady is being treated under rules that he agreed to when he signed a contract making him a wealthy man.
4. That other quarterbacks “like” balls that are outside the prescribed PSI is immaterial. There is no evidence they arranged said balls in games.
5. That people may be just jealous of the Patriots is immaterial. The motive of the commissioner is not part of the contractual agreement that he and Brady both accepted. The rules were broken, Brady is found to be complicit, and he pays a penalty. This is justice.
6. That there are too many rules, and everybody commits some infraction whether he knows it or not, is completely beside the point. Nobody is claiming a rule was broken unknowingly. Nobody calls that cheating, in any venue. Brady’s cognitive awareness of the infraction is the heart of the matter; did he know? The report says it looks like he did. Other situations, where somebody broke a rule without knowing, are apples to this orange.
I wouldn’t want the emotional thinkers hyperventilating about this on my jury. He did it, he knew he did it, and pays the price. Full stop.
A totally crazy New England Cheatriots fan promised to ping me “when Brady is found innocent”.
That’s not happening.
Pat’s fans set up GOFUNDME page to pay Krafty Bob’s $1 mil fine. ..Useful idiots.
http://www.gofundme.com/NewEnglandPatriots
More red herrings. I did not say Tom Brady* is the only QB who likes his footballs a certain way. Again, you are refusing to address the issue at hand by deflecting the discussion. “Everybody does it” is a liberal attempt to excuse. Stay focused. Take off your Patriots hat and put on your Conservative hat for just a minute and answer the question.
Do you believe in your heart that the Patriots* ball attendants acted on their own and Tom Brady* did not instruct them in any way, shape or form to deflate the footballs below the league limitations?
You are killing me. You write - ‘do I believe in my heart they cheated’ - that’s liberal gobbledygook. Smell yourself. I deal in facts, not feelings. At the present time, based on available evidence, ‘probable’ just doesn’t do it for me. By the way, I’m from Chicago, and a Bear fan. I have no dog in the Patriot hunt. If you want to convict anyone, on anything, based on your feelings, good for you.
You can't know a thing about football if you don't understand Seattle and New England were evenly matched teams.
It was Pete Carroll's refusal to run the ball into the end zone using Marshawn Lynch that cost the Seahawks the game. If they had given Lynch the ball twice from the one-yard line, almost anyone will tell you, he would have scored.
Haha! Noted that you still refuse to answer a simple question, huh? Insist on deflecting and using the tired liberal accusations. Save the Ben Matlock fantasy, this isn’t a court of law. It’s the NFL. There is a world of difference between doing what’s “right” and doing what’s “legal”. Yes, the physical evidence is sketchy at best. But You don’t have to be Frank Columbo to figure out what’s going on. Do you also think Hillary should be left alone because we don’t have the 30,000 emails she deleted? Let me guess, you have no opinion on that because there’s no evidence to suggest she did anything wrong, correct? ;-)
Too funny. Good luck convincing someone of THAT!
You obviously can not read the English language. My answer, stated a number of times, is they did not prove cheating. My ‘feelings’ are immaterial, as are my suspicions...that’s your bag. I’m not a liberal, but you sure think like one. I would not convict anyone based on the so called evidence in the report. And comparing deflated footballs to Hillary Clinton is a real hoot. Why not compare this to the Holocaust while you’re spewing silly hyperboles. So how much did you lose betting on Indy, or was it the Seahawks? On appeal the 4 game suspension will be voided...my prediction. What’s yours?
I think Lynch attempted six runs inside the two yard line during the season, scoring two TDs. It was not a given he would have scored.
The point I am trying to make is Seattle played no where as good this past year as in 2013. Game after game they looked very average until the 4th quarter. Packers blew the game against them. Unless Packers self-destruct no way in hell Seattle makes the Super Bowl. What separates Seattle and New England is Brady. And let’s not forget Arizona, with a third string quarterback lead the NFC west until the final game of the season, and if Seattle had not won home field, they’re not going to Lambeau and win.
Dude, you’re wound a little too tight. My prediction is for a rubber truck in your near future.
Enjoy!
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