Posted on 05/09/2015 4:15:10 PM PDT by keat
Yes you are right about the five rounds.
Guy has to be smart and make ‘em count.
Sure is a sweet little carry though isn’t it?
Can one legally be a resident of more than one state? I pay taxes and maintain domiciles in two. Could I purchase a handgun in either?
That’s too bad. I have had a Kahr 9mm for 10 years without any of those problems. Love it.
First of all, the XD-S 3.3″ Single Stack 9mm doesn't have a thumb-safety, it has a grip safety that automatically engages when your grip the pistol.
Secondly, 9mm Luger, .38 Special, and the .380 ACP are all the same caliber. The only differences are the length of the round, the weight of the projectile, and the power behind it. The 9mm Luger round is superior to the .38 caliber in almost all testing I have ever seen.
Thirdly, the .38 revolver is defiantly easier to learn to shoot, even if it doesn't have the power of a 9mm. I carry a .38 snubby for a back-up occasionally, sometimes a .380 which is lighter and smaller.
Finally, talk to a real-life instructor.
As I say I'm not a Certified CCW instructor, but I've shot many rounds out of all three, and taken many new shooter to the range, most of them women who wanted to learn the basics. I always suggest they ask the range or gun-store for qualified instructors if they're going to carry or really get into shooting.
I hope a real gun-person will drop by and correct any mis-information I've given you.
I am a certified firearms instructor. Also a certified firearms safety instructor, also a certified hunter safety instructor.
I also taught skeet at the University of Southern Mississippi for two years.
All that doesn’t mean squat.
What is important is if a person has a lot of shooting experience but more importantly they have common sense.
Look for someone who first of all is very careful about gun safety. Next someone who is a lifetime shooter who is also sensible.
I have seen some real nuts who actually taught classes. Most are not but I have seen them.
Also use your own common sense.
I have noticed that most of the guys (and gals) on FR give some pretty decent advice. Just be a little wary.
One condition (As per BATFE) is a person in the military.
For instance a New York resident who is stationed in Georgia but maintains a New York home of record can purchase a handgun in Georgia and then take it home when he musters out...oh, wait: maybe he can't.
That's why gun laws are screwed up in this Country.
These are my rules. Other have similar rules that serve just as well. The first rule is so they don't get into the habit of handling a gun as if it's unloaded.
The ten commandments of gun safety are all good. There are more than one version but they all basically say the same thing.
The most important one of all is to never let the muzzle point at anything you would not be willing to see destroyed. Be a fanatic about that one.
Normal procedure would be to do an out of state transfer:
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/dmv/out-state-transfer-adult
Can take up to 10 days to receive the physical drivers license though. A temp license is used until the official one arrives.
I was one of those advocating for the “insanity” of a five-round carry revolver.
I live in a small western town/city where crime is rare and violence rarer except for fistfights in bars (where I almost never go) or on the streets after midnight when the crack demons prowl (when I am safely in bed in my well-defended home).
My whistle-clean little revolvers are carried to work, to the store, to the library. I carry them to deal with sudden random violence like a convenience store stick-up or a parking lot domestic situation, for instance.
I would recommend any sensible citizen have other guns besides these little self-defense wheel guns. For the high country, for long trips through larger cities, through situations familiar and unfamiliar, a sensible person would have different plans and carry different equipment.
I don’t disagree with anything you say, by the way, except that you “would never carry a revolver and would never recommend one to anyone else”. I would never say that about a semi-auto to anyone or recommend anyone else say it either lol.
One of the problems of these (greatly enjoyable) gun threads is that we all are talking about different preferences, needs, scenarios, and so on.
Nonetheless I almost always find myself joining in and I always learn something.
CL doesn't sell guns. even if they did, all guns sales must currently go through a dealer. No pistol sales to out of staters.
I’m not going to get into the discussion on which gun or type. I have strong opinions, but that’s more about what gun is right for me, which one for my wife (if I could get her to shoot), for my daughters, and for my sons - all different answers.
However, I would very strongly recommend that you get her a gun that is legal to sell the state where it is purchased, and do not push the limits on any gun laws. A gun prosecution, even if she is eventually found not guilty, would ruin her year and more. I’d buy something similar to the one she wants in CA, after checking on transportation to CO, storage in CO, carry in the wilderness and on campus in CO, and other issues. You might have to go with a slightly different configuration than her first choice, but rule #1 of gunfighting is:
1. A gun beats no gun.
Get her a gun if and only if you find that she will be willing and legally able to carry it as planned. And do it in the state where she is authorized to purchase a firearm, either from a dealer in state or from budsgunshop.com or another online dealer and through a licensed FFL dealer in the state where she is authorized to make a purchase. If that involves getting a CO driver’s license, go for it. It’s really easy and fast to get one.
Well to be factually correct...I didnt "advise" using the CCW purse...I mentioned that they sell them.
CCW is always a personal preference....some people like a paddle holster...some carry behind the back...I personally prefer a cross draw horizontal shoulder rig myself....but I carry a larger pistol and always wear a leather jacket...so that suits me best.
Ease of use is the most important factor to me...followed by ease of access.
I am surprised. I feel that my gun is an extension of myself. It is always carried on-body...no fumbling with a purse THAT SOMEONE MIGHT TAKE FROM ME. Carrying on-body allows a person to always know exactly where their gun is.
That's all well and good....but from you dont strike me as a novice....which Keat's Mrs is, unless I assumed incorrectly
A couple trips to the range does not an expert make
When the neighbor kid comes over, I don’t have to worry about where my gun is and can he get his hands on it?
Does the neighbor kid go for your purse?...LOL
(Just razzing you)
Is my gun sitting in my purse on the seat next to me in the car, while the bad guy is blowing beer breath in my face? When I open the door to my house, my gun is right there with me, not hanging on the back of a chair.
Well that statement makes serveral assumtions...like assuming that she would be careless of where she would leave a loaded weapon.
I would also ask were you carry on body and how you change how you dress so you have easy access while seated in a car.
I find it easier to draw my weapon from a shoulder rig while seated in a car...so I carry in a shoulder rig...that also requires a jacket or over shirt...there is always a trade off and no single on body carry position is 100% effective 100% of the time.
For example...even though I am right handed...I got myself in the habit of carrying my wallet in my left hand rear pocket and always reach for my wallet with my left hand. If someone pulls a gun on me and demands my wallet....I can reach for it while my draw hand is still free...
I've done an exercise in a course where I do just that....and I drop the wallet on the ground....their eyes always follow the wallet while I draw...when they look back up they are looking at my prop gun.
I love the concealed carry purses! They are stylish and pretty....they just don’t fit into my situational awareness training.
Again...I merely mentioned the purse...
I assumed that the student is going to be doing outdoor type stuff. I will agree about 9mm not being enough stopping power...for a bear. Anything else she may encounter in CO would be stopped.
If you had read further in the thread...I also stated the .38 revolver was a 'suggestion' and she should carry what she is most comfortable with.
The 9mm vs .38 debate is as old as the 9mm itself....and I wasnt trying to rekindle that debate...I was offering my honest opinion...most of the woman I have taught were not gun enthusiests...they were complete novices....some of the woman had never even shot a gun before....
The second sentence of the post:
"There is little reason to carry a semi automatic unless one of well versed in the use of firearms or for tactical reasons"
Besides the typo....I thought that was pretty clear...and that wasnt sexist at all....I've been shooting for over 30 years and I still wouldnt trust my life to a semi auto...and it's my life I'm worried about.
If you are well versed in firearms...and want to carry a semi Auto...more power to you...it is your life you are worried about....not my preference in a self defense weapon.
And why do guys always refer women to revolvers?
Because we are sexist pigs?...LOL
Or because most of are fans of the K.I.S.S. principle for novices?
Especially in a panic or emergency situation were seconds count
You seem to have taken my simple post rather personally
Little secret here: a lot of women, myself included, consider ourselves well-versed in the use of firearms. It sound like the young lady in question has done quite a bit to become well-versed. Hey, get this: Some of us even carry an extra magazine and practice switching them on the fly!
That's great...that refers back to this sentence:
"There is little reason to carry a semi automatic unless one of well versed in the use of firearms or for tactical reasons"
You arent the type of person who usually takes a class from me...as I stated above
And finally, it is a lot easier to dress around a semi than a revolver.
That matter is up for debate...if you carry on body...that limits your abilty to wear that little black dress us sexist pigs like so much....LOL(kidding)
Sorry to take you to task, please don’t take it personally.
No offense taken...I was merely talking about a novice shooter...and a few trips to the range does not an expert make.
I’m just a girl with a gun who is tired of being talked down to,
Who was it that talked down to you?...this is your first reply to the thread.....no one had even addressed you in any manner what so ever.
and tired of all those other people talking down to all those other women. Not that you were talking down to me (you didn’t even know we were having this conversation, did you?) but it’s been a long day. I spent the whole day moving, crawling up into a pickup bed, hauling and dancing with furniture, moving furniture up a circular staircase (24” wide)...all of it with my handy dandy Shield on my hip, with one in the chamber. I didn’t shoot myself or anyone else all day! Never even dropped it. Wow, who knew it could be done?
Well then...that's kinda what I said above.....you seemed to have taken my advice rather personally and implied it was somehow sexist, or that it was meant for you.
Most novices purchase the weapon first...then wonder how they will carry...
I would give the same advice to a man who was a novice and looking to carry and what gun to buy...buy a revolver...why?...because it is the easiest type of firearm to use in an emergency situation...dont have to keep it cocked and locked, no safety, it goes off every trigger pull and will never jam...and that's all. But men generally have more hand strength (again not sexist) and I would suggest a .357 or .38 P+ and not something like a .44 mag or a desert eagle for a novice shooter.
I'm glad you carry, as the life you save might be your own or a loved one.
http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/analysis-of-five-years-of-armed-encounters-with-data-tables/
I feel entirely confident carrying a .357 mag Revolver and two speed loaders for self defense
Of course everyone has their own preference.
My preference is to use a Firearm with no safety, that wont jam, and that doesnt have to be carried in a cocked and locked state in order to be useful.
And once again my advice was intened for self defense by a novice shooter and a lady with lower grip strength at that (not sexist dammit), not someone who is well versed in firearms, or has the need to carry a semi auto for tactical reasons.
“Remote wildlife work..”
Sounds like government property to me. If so she will face many restrictions on carrying a pistol. Are sure she will be allowed to carry?
Revolvers do jam.
Want to jam one good? Short stroke the trigger on the 2nd, third etc. shot while firing fast double action.
Want to jam one good? Short stroke the trigger on the 2nd, third etc. shot while firing fast double action.
LOL...is that all I have to do?...misuse the Firearm with short trigger pulls that wont fire anyway?
Why not mention a primer backing out of a custom reload?
Or an underloaded round failing to clear the barrel
Or a cylinder locking up from an uncleaned Gun?
Or a part failure?
Can a revolver malfunction....duh....but it cannot stove pipe and lock the slide like a semi auto can....and since a revolver has less moving parts to fail, which one is MORE LIKEY to malfunction?
The one with the more moving parts?
Most failures I have ever read about were to to shooting reloaded or custom ammo, or plain old failure to clean and maintain the revolver.
Thanks for taking that in a good spirited way.
Sorry, my post was a rant against Gander Mountain, in defense of women shooters everywhere! Nope, did not buy my gun there! Bought it out of state, and had it shipped to a FFL here.
Dressing tip: little black dress has matching thigh holster!
Oh, and if I may address all the guys here, spread the word: If you want your lady friend to have a gun, and she wants one, let HER pick it out. Let her hold it, dry fire it, etc. As you’ve noted, our hands are smaller...
I would talk more about guns, but there was that awful boating accident a while back..you know how that goes ;)
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