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Iowa GOP rep: ‘Nothing worse’ than homeschoolers telling us how to vote
LifeSiteNews ^ | 5/4/15 | Ben Johnson

Posted on 05/05/2015 6:35:04 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee

public schools are failures


61 posted on 05/05/2015 11:30:29 AM PDT by GeronL (Clearly Cruz 2016)
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To: wagglebee; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; adopt4Christ; Aggie Mama; ...

HOMESCHOOL PING

This ping list is for articles of interest to homeschoolers. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping List. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added or removed from either list, or both.

The keyword for the FREE REPUBLIC HOMESCHOOLERS’ FORUM is frhf.

But I'll bet they have no problem telling us how to vote.

62 posted on 05/05/2015 11:42:10 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: trisham; concerned about politics

That was proposed in Ks.
Homeschoolers resoundingly OPPOSED it.

Because, it would be a case of
“you’re exempt from school taxes under these conditions...”

thereby giving the state, effectively, control over homeschooling.


63 posted on 05/05/2015 11:44:27 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

The state already has control over homeschooling.


64 posted on 05/05/2015 11:45:49 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Arm_Bears
HA!!

SHUT UP AND PAY YOUR TAXES!!

LICK THE BOOTS THAT LORD OVER YOU!!

65 posted on 05/05/2015 11:46:34 AM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: GeronL
I agree, but they need to exist in some form. The key is to destroy the teachers unions and make teachers accountable.
66 posted on 05/05/2015 11:49:11 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
The left is "superior race-ing" homos and scapegoating Christians. Sure reminds me of Adolf.

Phase 2 is taking away the property of Christians.

Phase 3 is ghettos

Then comes the final solution.

67 posted on 05/05/2015 11:52:21 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (God is very intollerant, why shouldn't I be?)
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To: DungeonMaster

Phase 2 already in process.
Confiscatory taxes only affect the productive people in the society, the majority of which are Christians.


68 posted on 05/05/2015 11:54:04 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: wagglebee
Dear wagglebee,

“...many families do not have the money for private schools and a great many parents (especially among the inner-city poor) are not educated enough to homeschool.”

I haven't met many people who didn't have enough of an education that they couldn't homeschool their children, at least through grade school. It doesn't require much by way of intellect or erudition.

Parents may not homeschool well for a variety of reasons - mostly related to lack of time or lack of effort. However, lack of education is seldom a problem.

The inner city poor may comprise something of a general exception, because so many lack basic literacy and numeracy. But really, anyone who can get a long on a day-to-day basis, can read a newspaper, or use a cookbook recipe, can teach his or her children successfully.

As for compulsory education, I'm not sure I accept your point. When I look at the results, especially of inner city school systems, I don't see that much, if any, education has taken place. Many of these children receive diplomas when they turn 17 or 18, but yet remain illiterate and innumerate.


sitetest

69 posted on 05/05/2015 11:55:39 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

Homeschoolers scored in the AVERAGE of the 86th percentile,

AND THE LEVEL OF EDUCATION AND/OR INCOME OF THE PARENTS HAD MINIMAL IMPACT ON THESE RESULTS.

http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/200908100.asp


70 posted on 05/05/2015 11:58:11 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Preaching to the choir. ;-)


71 posted on 05/05/2015 11:59:11 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: MrB
Phase 2 already in process. Confiscatory taxes only affect the productive people in the society, the majority of which are Christians.

Good one, I was actually thinking of the Christian businesses being closed down for not catering to sodomites.

72 posted on 05/05/2015 12:00:17 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (God is very intollerant, why shouldn't I be?)
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To: DungeonMaster

“not catering gay weddings” is just an excuse.


73 posted on 05/05/2015 12:02:13 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
“not catering gay weddings” is just an excuse.

Not believing in global warming might become the second wing of the final solution.

74 posted on 05/05/2015 12:04:53 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (God is very intollerant, why shouldn't I be?)
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To: DungeonMaster

Oh, yes... there’s already leftists speculating on the imprisonment of “deniers”.

https://www.google.com/search?q=punishing%20global%20warming%20deniers


75 posted on 05/05/2015 12:08:16 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: factoryrat; wagglebee
A simple solution to this whole problem: ELIMINATE compulsory public school education, and ELIMINATE the federal department of education.

These days, it would do little good as long as states support compulsory union dues into the National Education Association, which is little more than a communist propaganda agency.

Support Scott Walker, and support right-to-work laws and an end to public sector unions.

76 posted on 05/05/2015 12:09:04 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The greatest danger facing our world: the marriage of militant Islam with nuclear weapons.-Netanyahu)
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To: sitetest
The inner city poor may comprise something of a general exception, because so many lack basic literacy and numeracy. But really, anyone who can get a long on a day-to-day basis, can read a newspaper, or use a cookbook recipe, can teach his or her children successfully....

When I look at the results, especially of inner city school systems, I don't see that much, if any, education has taken place. Many of these children receive diplomas when they turn 17 or 18, but yet remain illiterate and innumerate.

Which is it? You can't have both.

I agree that the education system in America is a complete mess, but eliminating it altogether will only make things worse.

I haven't met many people who didn't have enough of an education that they couldn't homeschool their children, at least through grade school. It doesn't require much by way of intellect or erudition.

Parents may not homeschool well for a variety of reasons - mostly related to lack of time or lack of effort. However, lack of education is seldom a problem.

Herein lies the problem. There are a great many families that depend on the income of both parents. The certainly have the education to homeschool their children, but they are simply unable to.

I think what concerns me the most with elimination of education is what will happen to the middle class. There are plenty of children from less fortunate backgrounds who DO go to school to learn and succeed in life. If this avenue is closed to them America will actually become the nation of "haves and have nots" that the left claims we are.

The education system needs to be overhauled from the ground up. Vouchers need to be made widespread and the unions must be broken.

77 posted on 05/05/2015 12:10:10 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

It’s bad enough they want to peek into kids’ after-school thoughts. But this is just as bad:

“The state teachers union supports passage. Jean Hessberg, a spokeswoman for the Iowa State Educational Association, said the union would oppose any provision requiring the school district to report anti-gay or transgender ‘bullying’ to the victims’ parents, since they may not know their children were having sex with members of the same sex or choosing to identify as members of the opposite sex.”

So hopefully you would actually have a handle on what was going on with your child . . . but it’s possible that your kid could be going through absolute hell at school, and you’d never hear about it . . . until you find the kid swinging from a rope. This is the most bizarre, horrible thing. If nothing else, I can’t believe they don’t realize they’d be very likely to get sued from here to breakfast for not telling the parents something that could result in a child self-harming.


78 posted on 05/05/2015 12:12:17 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: metmom

LOL! Are homeschooler’s telling him how to vote? I highly doubt it. But no matter. Everyone needs to break the habit of pressuring other voters. Present your case but show respect for the right of others to make up their own minds. Rude is not persuasive.


79 posted on 05/05/2015 12:22:56 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: wagglebee
Dear wagglebee,

“’The inner city poor may comprise something of a general exception, because so many lack basic literacy and numeracy. But really, anyone who can get a long on a day-to-day basis, can read a newspaper, or use a cookbook recipe, can teach his or her children successfully....’

“’When I look at the results, especially of inner city school systems, I don't see that much, if any, education has taken place. Many of these children receive diplomas when they turn 17 or 18, but yet remain illiterate and innumerate.’

“Which is it? You can't have both.”

Sure I can!

To be more clear, most folks have the education to homeschool. The population where this is least true is the inner city poor, many of whom are illiterate and innumerate and cannot read a newspaper or follow a cookbook recipe. These are folks who often get to the end, chronologically, of their school experiences, may actually receive a piece of paper, but can't read the words written on it.

That proportion of that population will be unable to homeschool their children.

“I agree that the education system in America is a complete mess, but eliminating it altogether will only make things worse.”

I didn't say we should eliminate the system. I questions the compulsory nature of the system. Forcing folks into buildings who don't want to be there and who disrupt those who would like to obtain an education doesn't seem productive to me. The folks who are coerced often receive little or nothing by way of education, and interfere with the education of those who might wish to learn something.

“There are a great many families that depend on the income of both parents.”

That's a different reason for not homsechooling than you gave originally: “...and a great many parents (especially among the inner-city poor) are not educated enough to homeschool.”

Again, I'm not proposing the elimination of schools, or even of free schools. I'm just iffy that forcing folks to attend them does much good.


sitetest

80 posted on 05/05/2015 12:23:54 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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