Posted on 04/24/2015 8:36:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Like most technology people, The Tech Guys are pro-immigration. We published several pro-growth pro-immigration op-eds during the 2012 cycle. Many Daily Caller readers don’t agree with Tech Guys on immigration policy. But the politics of not demonizing legal immigrants while running for POTUS are pretty obvious. Since Walker needs tips on the basics of a national campaign, we also recommend Walker not opine on the legitimacy of rape or compare homosexuality to bestiality.
Scott Walker claimed the early lead in the “self-deportation” GOP presidential primary sweepstakes. Walker called for a reduction in legal immigration. This is bad for America, contrary to American values, and harmful to GDP, jobs, and tax revenue — in Silicon Valley and throughout the country. Legal immigrants and illegal immigrants add economic and cultural value to this country in all sectors, not just technology. For one example, Walker can look above his name in recent polls to the son of a hotel bartender and a hotel housekeeper.
Walker is not impressed with immigrant-founded businesses like Google, AT&T, and midwestern neighbor Procter & Gamble. Perhaps he would like to deport Kohl’s, the third largest company in Wisconsin, back to Poland?
According to the Americas Society/Council of the Americas, immigrants started 28 percent of all new U.S. businesses in 2011, employing one in ten U.S. workers. What exactly would happen to those jobs if we clamped down on those companies’ ability to operate?
It is also offensive to the legal immigrants of his home state in Wisconsin. What exactly should they do since their governor is running for president on a platform to reduce their right to work? Self-deport?
We also note Governor Walker’s message to immigrant students in the Wisconsin public university system: take your diploma and go home. Don’t build your Google’s here. Americans have grown accustomed to GOP Governors, such as Rick Perry, competing to attract jobs and job creators to their states, not to intentionally drive them away.
Even Mitt Romney, who self-deported himself out of a winnable 2012 election said, “If someone comes here and gets a PhD in physics, that’s the person I’d like to staple a green card to their diploma, rather than saying to them to go home.”
University of Wisconsin — Madison’s PhD graduation is May 15, 2015. We recommend Governor Walker attend and staple a plane ticket to the diplomas.
Before a President Walker can harm American job creation and legal immigrants as president, he would need to prevail in a general election. Mitt Romney recorded 27 percent of the Latino vote in his 2012 loss, a 17 percent free fall from President Bush’s 44 percent Latino vote count in his 2004 win. Good luck in 2016, candidate Walker.
Walker appears to feel that Romney’s call for self-deportation wasn’t effective enough in driving away Latino voters. After all, Romney still collected 27 percent. Maybe Walker is making a play for 0 percent of the growing Latino & Asian-American vote? Perhaps Walker plans to erect Joe Kennedy Senior’s get-out-the-vote machine and harvest 150 percent of the white vote?
Walker apparently feels the 2012 anti-immigration GOP circular firing squad didn’t go far enough. After all, the anti-immigration rhetoric from Romney, Cain, and Santorum aimed at restricting illegal immigration, with touchy feely approaches like electric fences. That’s not enough for Walker. He wants to restrict legal immigration, something even anti-immigration hawks like Senator Cruz want to increase.
In Governor Walker’s own recent words (underline is from Tech Guys):
>>>“In terms of legal immigration, how we need to approach that going forward is saying – the next president and the next Congress need to make decisions about a legal immigration system that’s based on, first and foremost, on protecting American workers and American wages… It is a fundamentally lost issue by many in elected positions today – what is this doing for American workers looking for jobs, what is this doing to wages, and we need to have that be at the forefront of our discussion going forward.”<<<
Like most technology people, The Tech Guys are pro-immigration. We published several pro-growth pro-immigration op-eds during the 2012 cycle. Many Daily Caller readers don’t agree with Tech Guys on immigration policy. But the politics of not demonizing legal immigrants while running for POTUS are pretty obvious. Since Walker needs tips on the basics of a national campaign, we also recommend Walker not opine on the legitimacy of rape or compare homosexuality to bestiality.
The timing of Walker’s self-deportation from the general election is curious. Walker and Rubio had spent April 2015 surpassing Jeb Bush as the most plausible nominees. Why did Walker self-deport now? Maybe, like Gary Hart and Howard Dean before him, he doesn’t really want the nomination? Or like Mitt Romney in 2012, he wants the nomination but doesn’t want the Presidency? Regardless, the Tech Guys recommend Walker heed the wise words of Bill Ray Valentine and get… out.
Almost NOBODY I know is "Anti-Immigration" with the following caveats: Immigration is controlled and monitored, and is not artificially constructed to exclude the best kinds of immigrants who have workable skills, and promote immigrants who have no usable skills.
That's pretty much it. If we want to import software developers from Argentina, or machinists from the Ukraine, hysicians from South Africa, or a draftsman from Ireland, they should have an equal chance of being a citizen as any other applicant regardless of race or color, and should have a trade or skill. As a matter of fact, they should have a higher preference for being an immigrant.
And we welcome them with open arms.
What NORMAL, THINKING, and INTELLIGENT people are AGAINST is ILLEGAL immigration.
The problem is that the people who say they are "Pro-Immigration" are Pro ILLEGAL-Immigration.
“Like most technology people, The Tech Guys are pro-immigration.”
BS.. technology people are losing jobs left and right to these “legal immigrants”. They are not generally in favor of it.
If I had a choice of legal immigrants between 'the tired and poor huddled masses' and technical professionals, I know which one is more likely to pay taxes and vote Republican. People who work and create for a living build wealth for everyone. They attract capital. They raise good kids. Yes, some dilute wages. On the other hand, some start companies.
How that works out on balance I don't know. But I do think that we shouldn't just recoil at the prospect. I would bet good money that such immigrants are far preferable to "natural born" gang bangers.
Yep. Walker gets it because he has lived in the real world. American workers include people who are not in unions, don’t work for the government or are otherwise not shielded from the realities of the market place. Who knew?
“Walker is not impressed with immigrant-founded businesses like Google, AT&T, and midwestern neighbor Procter & Gamble. Perhaps he would like to deport Kohl’s, the third largest company in Wisconsin, back to Poland?”
These fact benders are referring to legal immigrants who entered the country after following immigration law and with proper legal papers for entry. Not overstaying visas or sneaking across the border.
Leave it to fringe lunatic liberals to twist facts to suit their purposes once agakn. And, their adoring fans take what they say at face value.
>>3rd from last paragraph in their rant, is this quote from Scott Walker which they’re “working” from - go figure.<<
As I said above, the Left (and some on the Right) are panicking....simple as that. He’s got them all on the run with a simple statement of economic logic.
And in doing so he’s made it clear that illegal immigration has to be curtailed. If we’re going to be evaluating the need for legal immigrants then any conclusion reached is meaningless if we don’t control the borders.
What the hey are the GOPe afraid of?
Eh. A conservative killing him or herself to avoid gotchas from a liberal media.
If a conservative doesn’t say the gotcha aloud, the media just makes it up.
Or implies that the conservative is blowing some invisible, inaudible dog whistle that is saying the same thing, and people buy it.
I think it is a waste of time for a conservative to even try to “frame” talking points beyond the minimum necessary. Once you expound at all on a point, they are going to extract whatever they want to, true or not.
Lol. With the skills of rational thought demonstrated here I wouldn't let these guys dust my keyboard.
He was arguing against H1b, which is legal. I believe he is right, or at least go in with a chisel, not a sledgehammer, as they say. Allow the best of those who graduated from American programs to stay and the rest can go home. That way our own tech people are not forced into the humiliating position of having to train tech workers who are inferior to them in knowledge and training, and then be fired themselves. That is just wrong. Greedy and wrong.
This is not about talking points and avoiding difficult subjects. Walker is being coached by Sessions, it seems, and has moved boldly to the right of the candidate pack. He’s now to the right of Cruz on this issue. Let them argue it out at the debates. We all deserve to have a variety of points of view.
Sniping proves Walker is moving in the right direction.
Agreed. They cannot even frame the issue honestly or correctly.
From reading it, it seems likely both are flaming liberals.
“According to the Americas Society/Council of the Americas, immigrants started 28 percent of all new U.S. businesses in 2011, employing one in ten U.S. workers.”
I am sick and tired of people using out of date data in their arguments. The other day someone was voicing their opinion on data from 1998. WTF! In 2011 we had an immigration problem. That problem is 10 times worse today. Legal immigration isn’t being attacked. And talking about offending legal immigrants, my guess is that legal immigrants are just as fed up with paying to feed, clothe, and educate illegals as those of us born here. The illegal immigrants we see today aren’t starting up online web browsers or department stores. They come here to live for free. I would also like to know how many of these businesses started by illegals are more than just a liquor store where the only people they are hiring are members of their own illegal family.
bttt!
Well played.
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>>What the hey are the GOPe afraid of?<<
There is a rational answer, or two actually, one correct, one not so much.
One current of economic thinking goes that more workers equals more wealth for the nation. Those who think that way fear that an aging population will result in diminishing GDP. Obviously that would be true in the extreme, if virtually everyone was retired, although it could still be a country populated by unimaginably wealthy people who made nothing and purchased everything, living off their investments. A few low-population oil-producing countries could be close examples of that I suppose.
But mostly, it’s felt that increasing the labor force increases GDP. What it fails to consider is that individual workers’ wages might not be increasing, and might even be falling relative to other prices. In fact, that could be the case for the past decade or so here in the U.S.
The other reason, a more rational one, is that certain industries would be decimated if immigrant, and particularly immigrant migrant, help is not available. Crops would go unpicked, homes would go unbuilt, or uncleaned at least, etc. Even milk producers hire a lot of migrant help, while complaining that they really need them year round, not seasonally. This is probably true, particularly if you closed the border and sent everyone home who is now here illegally. It’s sort of a “Hey, it’s a mess, but don’t make an even bigger mess when you try to fix it” sort of argument, and it makes some sense, at least in the short term.
All in all though, businesses prefer stability, and most would easily adjust to a stable world where legal immigration was strictly controlled and illegal immigration was curtailed completely. Of course, some industries would adapt in ways we might argue with, but they would adapt.
OpEd quote:
Perhaps Walker plans to erect Joe Kennedy Senior’s get-out-the-vote machine and harvest 150 percent of the white vote?
I do believe you have correctly spotted their bent.
In other words, they had trades they practiced, and did not come to this country and mooch. Believing a moocher is going to start something other than a methamphetamine business is pie-in-the-sky economics.
Most people have no concept of how these “immigrants” start that many businesses. THEY GET FREE LOANS. They get financial gov. income to live on while they are starting and building these businesses. They also get exempted from ALL zoning laws.
If Americans really understood this, there would be a revolution. WE get nothing but problems if we try to open a new business in the USA.
Hubby and I wanted to open a gourmet pizza restaurant back in the early 90s in a NH ski town. Had the perfect spot, got great support for the idea from some in positions of power.
Then came the local ptb. We were told we needed 12 sinks. That’s right. 12, not including the bathrooms.
There was literally no space to put the 12 sinks.
The fire marshall checked out the building and received $2500 for his opinion on the building.
Why don’t Americans open businesses? That is why. You risk all that capital and all you get is grief. Immigrants are above business law and regulations.
The rise in immigration has corresponded with a decline in wages for the middle class - in short, labor supply is decreasing wages given flat demand.
Stopping immigration until after we’ve truly improved the economy - as witnessed by workforce participation rates getting back to 70% - is a fair solution.
There is a HUGE undercurrent of disgust in the country with the way the American worker has been treated.
I have 2 extended family members (women) who had to train their replacements (they’d both worked for these companies for 20+ years). This also has happened to friends.
There are many stories out there.
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