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No, Senator Rubio, Homosexuals Aren't Born that Way
AFA ^ | Monday, April 20, 2015 | Bryan Fischer

Posted on 04/20/2015 5:01:58 PM PDT by xzins

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To: driftless2
Your problem is you're not able to consider that homosexuality might be from birth.

Your problem is that you didn't read very well. In an above post, I suggested that the trait is heritable via messenger RNA; i.e., that it is an epigenetic consequence of an environmental input. That does not mean that it is either beneficial or to be tolerated.

161 posted on 04/23/2015 9:53:44 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: driftless2
Sorry, you can believe what you want, but all evidence points to homosexuality being natural.

We are not like animals. Humans possess the knowledge to project responses to inputs into the future, to build into a society a form of feed-forward stability. Your predilections are destructive to that stability and foster the almighty state.

162 posted on 04/23/2015 9:55:57 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: DoughtyOne

We are all unique and made in God’s image. Fingerprints are an example of the effects of the environment on 2 identical DNA patterns. Although the environment is exact, our uniqueness expresses itself in many different ways.

http://multiples.about.com/cs/funfacts/a/twinfingerprint.htm


163 posted on 04/23/2015 9:59:53 AM PDT by 4Godsoloved..Hegave (Trusting God is a full time job, He is on duty 24/7 .)
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To: DoughtyOne
Are kids born that way, or are they co-opted (corrupted) that way?

As I have said, it appears that homosexual traits are heritable but not genetic. They fade out if a society is disciplined. The Torah teaches that it takes three to four generations. Remember: it was written by herders who breed sheep. Gay sheep are eaten as soon as they are discovered before they can do any more damage.

164 posted on 04/23/2015 10:09:28 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: Carry_Okie; driftless2; DoughtyOne; lentulusgracchus; xzins; onyx

“The only logical thing to conclude is homosexuals are naturally attracted to people of their own sex. Hormonal abnormality is the only thing that sounds semi-logical to me.”

“Only”????!!!

How about PREDATORY MOLESTATION?!?!?

How many studies would you like me to cite?


165 posted on 04/23/2015 10:12:00 AM PDT by G Larry (Hillary Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: G Larry
“The only logical thing to conclude is homosexuals are naturally attracted to people of their own sex. Hormonal abnormality is the only thing that sounds semi-logical to me.”

I didn't write that, driftless2 did.

166 posted on 04/23/2015 10:17:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: G Larry
You cite the studies proving being molested turns people into homosexuals....you're the one making the claim. You seriously believe every homosexual was molested as a child?

And then you've got to answer the question as to why the molester had homosexual inclinations. At some point some person, who had never been molested as a child, started molesting children of his or her sex. Where did that come from?

167 posted on 04/23/2015 10:18:07 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

YOU are the one who made the “only logical” constraint, not me.


168 posted on 04/23/2015 10:24:36 AM PDT by G Larry (Hillary Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: Carry_Okie
We are animals to a certain extent. We all have natural inclinations...good and bad. Otherwise why would 97-98% of people be attracted to the opposite sex instead of maybe only 50-60%? The heterosexual sex drive is natural. In a twisted way, so is the homosexual sex drive.

Some people have a deep urge to start fires and burn down buildings. We punish people for that whether it's natural or not. Same with homosexuality. They can try to not act on those urges, but those urges are natural.

The course of action to take is to try to discover for sure what causes homosexuality. I believe it's abnormal hormones in the womb. If we can correct that, we can prevent many people from living sexually dysfunctional lives.

169 posted on 04/23/2015 10:24:44 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2
You seriously believe every homosexual was molested as a child?

Sexualized as a child, close to it. Yes, sexual abuse of children is a lot worse than we think it is, especially by mass media.

170 posted on 04/23/2015 10:28:07 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: driftless2
Some people have a deep urge to start fires and burn down buildings. We punish people for that whether it's natural or not. Same with homosexuality. They can try to not act on those urges, but those urges are natural.

Which is why Federalism is the answer. Let them burn down buildings in San Francisco. The insurance companies will love it when they can raise the rate base.

171 posted on 04/23/2015 10:29:32 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I never said it was beneficial or to be tolerated. I merely stated that the idea of normal people choosing homosexuality is not a viable theory. I view it, homosexuality, as an extreme mental disorder. I’d seriously like to see a cure for homosexuality.


172 posted on 04/23/2015 10:30:29 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2
I never said it was beneficial or to be tolerated. I merely stated that the idea of normal people choosing homosexuality is not a viable theory. I view it, homosexuality, as an extreme mental disorder. I’d seriously like to see a cure for homosexuality.

That's fair enough, but I think that it should be tolerated in jurisdictions where people choose to tolerate it and not tolerated in places where people choose not to tolerate it. Then we all get to watch what happens and the lesson will be learned without Fed.gov getting into the act. It is the enforced uniformity of despotism falsely portrayed, educated, and enforced as benevolent that I fear the most.

173 posted on 04/23/2015 10:35:38 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Oh, yes, I understand.

I just wanted you to see my response.


174 posted on 04/23/2015 10:36:19 AM PDT by G Larry (Hillary Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: driftless2; wagglebee; Carry_Okie; G Larry
And then you've got to answer the question as to why the molester had homosexual inclinations. At some point some person, who had never been molested as a child, started molesting children of his or her sex. Where did that come from?

What we know about homosexuality is that it leads to early death, debilitating defect, psychological devastation, and deadly disease. Those are not debatable. They are fact.

Nor is homosexuality natural. Since all sexuality is about procreation of the species, then homosexuality creates nothing.

So, what the 'genetic' special pleading has to do is come up with one reason why a deadly, unnatural BEHAVIOR could be inherent in a species. It certainly isn't explained by evolutionary principles and the survival of the fittest. And nature's God has amply demonstrated that it is unnatural.

So, WHY would such a genetic characteristic be carried forward? It doesn't enhance the species in any way. At best, it would be viewed as a defect. AND, there are no studies clearly demonstrating that this horrible defect is carried forward. Which is what one would expect.

175 posted on 04/23/2015 11:07:56 AM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins

It’s natural in the sense that it’s not from someone consciously choosing. They act on impulses. It’s not normal, but it is natural.


176 posted on 04/23/2015 11:15:40 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

It is not natural to act on impulse. Impulsively jumping in some direction can, for example, take you over a balcony or into onrushing traffic.

I could make a case for acting on impulse being the opposite of natural.


177 posted on 04/23/2015 11:24:52 AM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave

Thank you for your comments and links.


178 posted on 04/23/2015 11:58:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question, Jeb Bush? The answer: NO! Rove, is a devious propagandist & enemy of Conservatives!)
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To: Carry_Okie

I’m not sure I understand you here. Your use of the word heritable causes me to thing hereditary, but then you state not genetic. I don’t understand how that can coincide.


179 posted on 04/23/2015 12:00:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question, Jeb Bush? The answer: NO! Rove, is a devious propagandist & enemy of Conservatives!)
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To: G Larry

Read... considered... open to discussion...


180 posted on 04/23/2015 12:01:20 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question, Jeb Bush? The answer: NO! Rove, is a devious propagandist & enemy of Conservatives!)
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