Posted on 04/20/2015 8:05:33 AM PDT by Olog-hai
“Hitler explained”?
Paul Johnson, whom I respect greatly as a historian, says Israel never would have happened under FDR.
You seem eager to go off without even understanding the context of people like Wyman and their "academic easy chairs."
I don't know of a single point Wyman makes that in one iota would have affected Americans fighting at the front. Care to cite specifics?
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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> “It has nothing at all to do with “hundreds of thousands of American lives.”
Thank you. No further questions your Honor.
Your Honor, in light of the plaintiff’s admission, the Defense now rests.
Your honor, the defense is idjits. Ruling in favor of the plaintiff, who offered evidence.
FMCDH(BITS)
Uh huh.
So you think the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans don’t matter ostensibly because their deaths happened later.
Of the 407,000 American men that died in combat in WWII in the European Theatre, where were these men in 1939 when the MS St. Louis tried to unload its cargo of aliens?
Where do you suppose they were in 1939? What do you think they were doing in 1939?
It sounds like you really, really do not understand the argument and just wanted to bash scholars.
Once again, FDR screwed up big time by not allowing minor changes in immigration/asylum policies before the US entered the war that would have saved countless lives but which had no effect whatsoever on those 407,000 lives. Are you saying that somehow the Jews caused these deaths?
1942 appears to be the time when Allies learned.
“Did the Allies and the people in the Free World know about the events going on in Europe?
Answer: The various steps taken by the Nazis prior to the “Final Solution” were all taken publicly and were, therefore, reported in the press. Foreign correspondents commented on all the major anti-Jewish actions taken by the Nazis in Germany, Austria, and Czechoslovakia prior to World War II. Once the war began, obtaining information became more difficult, but reports, nonetheless, were published regarding the fate of the Jews. Thus, although the Nazis did not publicize the “Final Solution,” less than one year after the systematic murder of the Jews was initiated, details began to filter out to the West. The first report which spoke of a plan for the mass murder of Jews was smuggled out of Poland by the Bund (a Jewish socialist political organization) and reached England in the spring of 1942. The details of this report reached the Allies from Vatican sources as well as from informants in Switzerland and the Polish underground. (Jan Karski, an emissary of the Polish underground, personally met with Franklin Roosevelt and British Foreign Minister Anthony Eden). Eventually, the American Government confirmed the reports to Jewish leaders in late November 1942. They were publicized immediately thereafter. While the details were neither complete nor wholly accurate, the Allies were aware of most of what the Germans had done to the Jews at a relatively early date.”
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&b=394663#20
I despise FDR. He made the near socialist takeover of the US. His social security plan and WPA sapped life out of us. He was not the “Great White Father,” as he is often called.
For one thing we do know, FDR imposed and oil embargo of the Japanese, who were dependent on our oil. It was thought that would diffuse their imperial ambitions.
Wrong move, and predictably so.
You’re right.
Threads like this sure bring the Judenfressers out. (Not your fault.)
Huey Long was anti-semitic as well.
The British had discouraged Jewish immigration into the Palestinian mandate, in part because of the romantic attachment of many British officers to the Arabs for their fighting spirit. Jews were despised as bankers, shopkeepers and intellectuals. Few of us have anything like a clear picture of how the world viewed Jews in 1940. Indeed, this was generally not much different from the the view of ordinary Nazi party member, who only wished to be rid of German Jews and to take their jobs and property.
The Jewish bankers. The Rothschilds cast a long shadow over European history.
Sure, if you wish to argue that the US should have stayed out of WWII, and just let those chips fall where they may, then obviously, FDR made all the wrong moves.
But if you think a totally united USA needed to join our allies and win WWII unconditionally, then it seems to me hard to fault anything FDR did in that regard in the years before December 7th, 1941.
Do you disagree?
Yes, in 1939, Hitler's general war-plans for Jews were suspected by some, including FDR.
That explains some of the actions Roosevelt took then attempting to rescue more Jews from Nazi Germany.
But nobody in 1939 could imagine the magnitude of Hitler's military victories, and the resulting scope of his "Jewish Problem".
In perfect hindsight, Roosevelt's actions appear well intentioned, but woefully inadequate.
A goal which was 90+% accomplished in Germany before September 1939.
Nobody foresaw fully in 1939 what would happen throughout Nazi controlled Europe in, say, 1942.
Interesting, and likely true.
It's clear that FDR and Truman had significantly different world views.
Breitman's argument is not that, in perfect hindsight, FDR did everything he might have, only that, based on information available at the time, he did more than usually given credit for, and really, all that he lawfully could.
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