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Can the US Have Both Religious Freedom and Gay Marriage? Louisiana Bill Shows Way Forward
Christian Post ^ | 04/15/2015 | Napp Nazworth

Posted on 04/15/2015 9:12:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A Louisiana bill seeks to balance gay marriage with the religious freedom of those who oppose it.

The "Marriage and Conscience Act," sponsored by Rep. Mike Johnson, R-Bossier City, would prevent the state from punishing people for actions they take regarding marriage due to their religious or moral convictions.

The core section of the law states: "Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, this state shall not take any adverse action against a person, wholly or partially, on the basis that such person acts in accordance with a religious belief or moral conviction about the institution of marriage."

Even though gay marriage supporters are condemning the law as "anti-gay," it would codify a principle put forth by gay marriage supporters when they initially sought public support for gay marriage. That principle was often stated something like this: "Gay marriage will have no effect on gay marriage opponents. Those opposed to gay marriage will be able to go about their daily lives as they always have."

Since becoming legal in a majority of states, however, that principle has not been upheld. For example, Catholic social service agencies have been forced out of finding homes for orphans because they only place children in homes with a married mother and father. Wedding vendors, such as photographers, florists and cake bakers, have been forced out of business for refusing to use their talents for a same-sex wedding. And in Georgia a government employee was fired due to his belief that true marriage can only be between a man and a woman.

Like what gay marriage supporters originally called for, the Louisiana bill is based upon a principle of "live and let live." While gay couples would continue to be able to get a state marriage license, the legislation would let those opposed to gay marriage live according to their beliefs.

But gay marriage supporters are opposing the bill that seeks to codify the principle they once supported.

In an op-ed for The Times-Picayune, for example, Rep. Walt Leger, D-New Orleans, described the bill as "bigotry enshrouded in religion" supported by people who wish to "promote intolerance." He also falsely claimed that the bill would allow businesses to deny gays access to public accommodations. Misleadingly, Leger never informed that the bill is specifically about marriage.

Same-sex couples cannot obtain a marriage license in Louisiana due to a state constitutional amendment. In New Mexico, however, a photographer was punished for declining to work at a same-sex wedding even before gay marriage was legal in that state. The U.S. Supreme Court is expected to decide this summer whether the U.S. Constitution requires all states to legalize gay marriage.

The bill has the support of Gov. Bobby Jindal, a possible Republican presidential candidate, who mentioned it in his Monday State of the State address.

"In Louisiana we do not support discrimination and we do support religious liberty, and we believe that we can uphold both of those values simultaneously," he said.

Jindal also sought to clear up misconceptions about the bill.

"All this bill does is provide necessary protections for individuals to prevent adverse treatment from the state based on religious beliefs regarding marriage," he continued. "This legislation does not allow a restaurant or industry to refuse service to a gay or lesbian person. The law merely ensures the state cannot deny a license, certification, accreditation, or contracts, to a person or a business on the basis of their sincerely held religious belief about marriage.

"It does not provide a right for a business owner to discriminate against gays or lesbians. I think we can all agree that the government should never force someone to participate in a marriage ceremony against their will.

"People, charities and family-owned businesses should not be penalized because they believe in the traditional definition of marriage. Regardless of your beliefs about the definition of marriage, we should all respect the right of our neighbors to hold a different view."

Recent religious freedom battles were over state-level religious freedom laws, called the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, in Indiana and Arkansas. Those laws, like the federal RFRA, direct courts to balance religious freedom claims against government interests. Government action can infringe upon one's religious freedom under RFRA, but only if there is a compelling state interest to do so and if the least restrictive means are used to advance that interest.

While states have been passing RFRA's since 1997, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the federal RFRA did not apply to state laws, the recent urgency to pass state RFRA's has been in reaction to the use of government force against wedding vendors opposed to serving same-sex weddings. There is not guarantee, however, that a state RFRA would protect these wedding vendors. So far, no wedding vendor has successfully used RFRA to prevent the government from forcing them to choose between their religious conscience and staying in business.

Louisiana already has a state RFRA. Unlike the efforts in Indiana and Nebraska, the "Marriage and Conscience Act" more specifically spells out what the legislators want — religious freedom for dissenters when gay marriage is legal.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; jindal; louisiana; religiousfreedom; rfra

1 posted on 04/15/2015 9:12:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

To answer the headline, yes. But the question is irrelevant,

because the purpose behind gay “marriage” is to criminalize Christianity.

So it’s a stupid, naive question.


2 posted on 04/15/2015 9:14:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind
Rep. Walt Leger, D-New Orleans, described the bill as "bigotry enshrouded in religion" supported by people who wish to "promote intolerance."

Says the intolerant hypocrite.

3 posted on 04/15/2015 9:21:37 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is capitulation. We should be talking secession by now.


4 posted on 04/15/2015 9:22:43 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“But gay marriage supporters are opposing the bill that seeks to codify the principle they once supported. “

That is because it is no longer about live and let live. It is about FORCING everyone to participate in and celebrate their perversion of marriage.


5 posted on 04/15/2015 9:36:21 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (True followers of Christ emulate Christ. True followers of Mohammed emulate Mohammed.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Gay marriage will have no effect on gay marriage opponents. Those opposed to gay marriage will be able to go about their daily lives as they always have."

That point needs to be made more often. Gays have been lying about their objectives for many years.

I like this law better than the Indiana law. First, it does not limit the right of conscience to religious believers. Second, it restricts the scope of the law to gay marriage, which is where these conflicts really come to a head, and does not allow opponents to suggest that gays will be barred from restaurants if the law passes.
6 posted on 04/15/2015 9:41:55 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: SeekAndFind

Let it simply be asked:

Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation deserts the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice?

And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion.

Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”

- George Washington, presidential Farewell Address


7 posted on 04/15/2015 9:42:51 AM PDT by donna (Pray for Revival)
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To: SeekAndFind

Back around 1898, a New Orleans newspaper had an editorial about the problems of street musicians and men dancing with men on certain street corners. They demanded legislation against it.
Times have sure changed.


8 posted on 04/15/2015 9:50:36 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( BEWARE the EVIL EYE from HILLARY!)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

Which one is protected by the Constitution — I’m for that one.


9 posted on 04/15/2015 9:59:36 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: SeekAndFind; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; ...
RE:”Even though gay marriage supporters are condemning the law as “anti-gay,” it would codify a principle put forth by gay marriage supporters when they initially sought public support for gay marriage. That principle was often stated something like this: “Gay marriage will have no effect on gay marriage opponents. Those opposed to gay marriage will be able to go about their daily lives as they always have.”

Few remember this claim.

This is how progressives make progress.

When GWB was POTUS they denied that gay marriage was coming. They also said this to get gay adoption passed.

Then when pushing gay marriage they assured us that we would not be forced by law to participate.

But now they call those who refuse to participate in gay marriage bigots and demand prosecution or at least business confiscation.

10 posted on 04/15/2015 10:01:25 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: SeekAndFind

Marriage is none of the federal givernments business..
As is MOST things that are the State givernments business..


11 posted on 04/15/2015 10:01:42 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why have a law that protects religious and moral objections when we could all just provide the service and donate the money to groups that will lobby for our rights?*

*This is sarcasm.


12 posted on 04/15/2015 10:03:20 AM PDT by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: SeekAndFind

So, this bill protects polygamous Mormons and Muslims, no?


13 posted on 04/15/2015 10:34:50 AM PDT by Kahonek
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To: SeekAndFind

” While gay couples would continue to be able to get a state marriage license, the legislation would let those opposed to gay marriage live according to their beliefs.”

This bill legalizes Gay Marriage in Louisiana.


14 posted on 04/15/2015 10:43:48 AM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Kahonek

That would be possible if the sentence stood in isolation, but I haven’t read the rest of the statute and assume that it is dealing specifically with “same sex marriage.”

Currently, polygamy is not legal in Louisiana or (I assume) anywhere else in the US, so therefore it doesn’t enter into this. If it ever becomes legal, which it will, then people who still adhere to the former Christian concept of marriage as monogamous, monandrous, and between two human persons of the opposite sex will still have to be protected.


15 posted on 04/15/2015 10:57:36 AM PDT by livius
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To: SeekAndFind

All we have to do is ask the U.S. Constitution. Is religious freedom protected? YES. Is gay marriage protected? NO.


16 posted on 04/15/2015 11:12:53 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Not a question about the Indiana Law, but more an issue of the fact that Bobby Jindal is right on top explaining it and calling bull$%^$ on the idea that it’s a conspiracy to hurt the homos.


17 posted on 04/15/2015 3:34:24 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: fwdude

You and what secular army?

How about the secession of the soul, which reflects what should have been understood from the word go. Citizens of heaven are only visitors in Caesar’s world.


18 posted on 04/15/2015 3:37:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: BubbaBasher

till the ussc puts words in its mouth


19 posted on 04/15/2015 3:37:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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