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‘A Bonhoeffer moment’: Evangelical leaders vow civil disobedience if SCOTUS redefines marriage
LifeSiteNews ^ | 4/7/15 | Ben Johnson

Posted on 04/08/2015 11:52:51 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: dware
Well, if we were being honest with ourselves we could find many reasons not to respect the SCOTUS:
  1. No respect of authority: they continually step outside the Constitution.
  2. No respect of the law: they continually pronounce blatantly contraconstitutional law/regulation as fine.
  3. No respect of logic: read the very first paragraph of Thomas's dissent in Raich and you'll see just how ridiculous it is to consider non-commerse as regulable under the interstate commerce clause.
  4. No respect of the moral imperatives of the state [e.g. protect the innocent]: who was it that declared that states cannot outlaw abortion?
  5. No respect of the existential imperatives of the state [e.g. sovereignty]: who was it that invalidated AZ's SB1070?
  6. No moral backbone: their rejecting of CA's Prop 8 due to "standing" illustrates this.
  7. No respect of another's authority: their rejection of CA's supreme court certifying the people's standing to take the case to the USSC illustrates this.
The USSC is the most lawless and corrupt organization in government; they get a pass because they wrap their offal in law and take advantage of the misconception that the Constitution is whatever the USSC says it is.
21 posted on 04/08/2015 12:32:52 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: dware

The federal gov’t, long ago, crossed the line from legitimate authority to authority ad baculum.

They are only obeyed now because of their ability to use force to require compliance, not because they are seen as a legitimate authority to be obeyed.


22 posted on 04/08/2015 12:36:01 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: wagglebee

As much as I admire Bonhoeffer, I have no desire to be him.

Better to take real steps before the fascists get that kind of power.

Steps that to date I have to say, sadly, many if not most of these “leaders” have refused to take.

And I’m talking simple steps based on principle, acting within a peaceful, lawful, political framework.


23 posted on 04/08/2015 12:39:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: MrB
They are only obeyed now because of their ability to use force to require compliance, not because they are seen as a legitimate authority to be obeyed.

That wouldn't matter if there were any real patriots in existence today who had balls bigger than a shrew. Unfortunately, there's not.

24 posted on 04/08/2015 12:43:31 PM PDT by dware (The GOP is dead. Long live Conservatism.)
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To: PoloSec

Internment camps.

Interment is the burial of a corpse.

;)


25 posted on 04/08/2015 12:46:39 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: wagglebee

This article would be laughable if it wasnt so sad. So the major, huge threat that Christians bring is to hold the opinion that SCOTUS as an illegitimate institution.

Ooooh, that’ll show em! As if Roe v Wade wasn’t enough. As if countless other decisions weren’t enough. But now, we’re really gonna show ‘em. And if that doesn’t work then...then..Christians might get real ugly and take them off their HOLIDAY card lists!


26 posted on 04/08/2015 12:47:17 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Ted Cruz 2016)
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To: dware

There are. But most conservatives won’t give them the time of day. Too busy following false flags.


27 posted on 04/08/2015 12:48:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: wagglebee

Good.


28 posted on 04/08/2015 12:49:05 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
What civil disobedience are the proposing, exactly?

I would hope refusing to participate/ perform sodomite ceremonies. But I fear many will fold like cheap suits under pressure from vocal members of the congregation.

29 posted on 04/08/2015 12:50:11 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: wagglebee
I have said it before and I will keep saying it. If we fold on this it is a small step to legalized incest, polygamy, bestiality, etc.....

I have been accused of the logical fallacy of steep slope-ism but you tell me where the hell will we draw the line if not here.

30 posted on 04/08/2015 12:54:17 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Agreed, although Bonhoeffer was a participant in the plot to kill Hitler.
31 posted on 04/08/2015 1:00:20 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

By the way, it was seventy years ago today, on April 8th, 1945, that “Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Wilhelm Canaris, and other anti-Nazis were convicted and sentenced to death by an SS drumhead court-martial presided over by Otto Thorbeck. At dawn the next day...Bonhoeffer and Canaris [and others] were hanged in the Flossenbürg concentration camp. They were forced to strip naked before being taken to the gallows. The camp was liberated two weeks later by American forces.”

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/323555554452876523/

Perhaps we will have the sad role to see how this generation of Christians performs under the kind of real persecution endured by Bonhoeffer. I hope not, but the longer we take to clean up our own house and begin to do right, using the simple, peaceful political means we already possess, the more likely it becomes.


32 posted on 04/08/2015 1:01:26 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: ConjunctionJunction

That would be kinda hard because most people on this side have to go to work to make a living.


33 posted on 04/08/2015 1:02:39 PM PDT by envisio (I ain't here long... I'm out of napalm and .22 bullets.)
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To: wagglebee

My comment was intended for those who may not be familiar with him. I did not mean to imply that you specifically were not.


34 posted on 04/08/2015 1:03:39 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (It takes a gun to feed a village (and an AK 47 to defend it).)
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To: dware

I’ve given that some serious thought. I don’t think it’s a lack of courage or will. I know quite a few people (several of them are Freepers) who have the gonads to act.

I think the missing factor is organization. For all his faults, Glenn Beck was able to organize the 9/12 rally in D.C. and hundreds of thousands showed up. No one is rallying the masses so-to-speak. (No, I don’t think Glenn Beck is the answer.)

Mark Levin is pushing for the Liberty Amendments, which I support, but that is a political solution. Absent a catalyst, most patriots are quietly prepping to defend themselves and their loved ones.

The Cliven Bundy incident is the closest thing I’ve seen to a catalyst.


35 posted on 04/08/2015 1:09:21 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: EternalVigilance
Canaris was also an extremely interesting man; unfortunately very few people, including those who claim to know a lot about WWII, have any idea who he was.
36 posted on 04/08/2015 1:09:35 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Michael.SF.
I know.
37 posted on 04/08/2015 1:10:03 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: envisio

LOL! I know, I was just hoping for some specifics.


38 posted on 04/08/2015 1:16:15 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: OneWingedShark

They’re unelected political hacks in black muumuus. Yet we seem to grant them reverence and hold them in awe like they were holy shamans.

They’ve definitely got the political theatrics down pat.


39 posted on 04/08/2015 1:19:46 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Ted Cruz 2016)
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To: EternalVigilance

The Christian Leadership of this country, such as it is, reminds me of Pro-Life, Inc. the alleged opponents of infanticide who instead seem to survive and thrive so long as the practice continues.

To paraphrase James Michner: “they came to do good, and ended up doing very well.”


40 posted on 04/08/2015 1:44:58 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Ted Cruz 2016)
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