Posted on 04/05/2015 5:36:33 PM PDT by LogicDesigner
While Tesla Motors continues to fight it out on a state level with dealership groups—most recently gaining ground in Georgia but getting shut out in West Virginia—one thing is for sure about the automaker's product: The Tesla Model S is, again and by far, the most-loved vehicle in the U.S.
The Tesla Model S, according to the market-research firm Strategic Vision, boasts figures of ‘love’ from their overall vehicle experience that handily top those for much-loved sports-car models like the Porsche Boxster and 911.
A whopping 92 percent of owners of the Model S summed their experience in the top “I Love It” box. It’s a pretty good indication of what a disruptive product the 2015 Tesla Model S continues to be.
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The Model S wasn’t the only ‘green’ vehicle near the top of the list. The Chevrolet Volt placed second among mass-market cars—second only to the Dodge Charger—in that ‘love’ metric.
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You can see my profile page for a little more of an explanation, but the short version is that if the United States and Europe transitioned to plug-in cars, it would put oil exporting nations in the poorhouse.
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Don’t start playing word games now. You specifically said ‘Iran’. And we don’t get one drop of oil from Iran.
You have failed this assignment Elon.
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>> “You can see my profile page for a little more of an explanation, but the short version is that if the United States and Europe transitioned to plug-in cars, it would put oil exporting nations in the poorhouse.” <<
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That is an absolutely categorically false statement!
Gasoline powered cars are a far more efficient use of fuel than electric generation.
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Regarding Iran, see my comment #79 above or check out my profile page. Regarding coal, yes it is on the decline but it is being replaced with natural gas.
“I would like to hear from someone that drives a Telsa as to what it has done to their electric bill. No matter the source of the electricity. Is it a matter of pay at the pump o send your money to the electric company?”
No need, you can do the calculations yourself pretty easily. The average price for a kWh of electricity in the United States is 12.1¢ and a Tesla Model S gets between 89 and 100 MPGe depending on the trim. MPGe is “miles per gallon equivalent” and a gallon equivalent of electricity is considered to be 33.7 kWh.
I ran through all those calculations a few months ago here comparing the Chevy Volt to the similarly sized Chevy Cruze. It came out to electricity costing about half as much as gasoline. Although you can usualy get even cheaper electricity from your electric company if you sign up for a time-of-use plan. These plans give you a discount at night which is when most people charge their cars. All electric cars have a setting that allows you to pre-program it to never start charging until a certain time at night.
How is an electric car “green”?
Are you kidding me? If the U.S. and Europe drove plug-ins (including plug-in hybrids like the Volt), it would reduce our gasoline consumption by 80% to 90%.
That would have a devastating impact on oil exporting nations like Iran and Russia.
“Gasoline powered cars are a far more efficient use of fuel than electric generation.”
Electricity costs about half as much as gasoline! Your facts are way off. I explained the numbers a few months ago as I referenced in my above post, #118. I forgot to include the link, so here it is:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3245953/posts?q=1&;page=111#111
” That would have a devastating impact on oil exporting nations like Iran and Russia.”
How much oil do we currently import from iran.
Please state for the record.
If you aren’t a salesman for Telsa...may I suggest that you look into a career change?
I’ve driven and was considering buying the Model S. It truly is an impressive piece of technology. It was the charging which eventually pushed me in the direction of the C63 AMG, which costs me a fortune in gas but is worth every penny.
It’s just easier to “recharge”, all things considered.
Oil is a global commodity. It is roughly the same price everywhere. So even if you don't use a drop of Iranian oil, your gasoline use aggregates with all the other U.S. and European demand, which causes an increase in global oil prices, which enriches Iran when they sell their oil to China and India.
On the other hand, if the U.S. and Europe started driving most of their miles on electricity, it would cause oil prices to plummet and bankrupt Iran.
Make sense?
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_a.htm
We get more oil from Canada, Venezuela, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and mexico than we do from Russia.
And none from iran.
Your claim is false.
More electric vehicles equals more strain on the eldctric grid which then needs to be basically rebuilt to handle the strain or else suffer Greg Davis style rolling blackouts.
Also, the base infrastructure for Ev’s does not exist.
We are losing electric generation capacity.
The cost will go up, add the dreamed of “millions of electric vehicles” and the cost of eldctrucity will further increase.
Also don’t forget obamas promise that electricity cost will “necessarily skyrocket”.
Agreed.
“Your claim is false.”
Nope, you didn't read my comment. Although it does require a rudimentary understanding of econmics...
Yes I did read your comment.
You said:” Are you kidding me? If the U.S. and Europe drove plug-ins (including plug-in hybrids like the Volt), it would reduce our gasoline consumption by 80% to 90%.
That would have a devastating impact on oil exporting nations like Iran and Russia.”
We do not get much of our oil from either source, none from the one.
It would have no effect if the US did that.
Who it would effect, Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, anyone who we do higher volume deals with.
Russia literally wouldn’t be bothered.
We only imported 119,496 barrels of oil from them last year.
Our level of oil import from Russia has been decreasing since 2009 and Obama’s “peregruzka”.
“Make sense?”
LOL!
Your model only includes EU and US markets. So the rest of the WORLD would eat our lunch economically by enjoying plentiful oil and having their transportation costs a fraction of our overgrown throwaway golfcarts.
The rare earth minerals on which your toy cars depends are not in unlimited supply, and China controls the vast majority of their production, Russia has a large part of it as well.
We can control oil prices NOW by “Drill here, Drill now” policies, building the pipeline your buddy in the WhiteHut is blocking, and lifting the restrictions on the US exporting oil.
All of this can be done NOW with existing technology, not waiting 20 - 40 years only to find the electric car stuff is all BS, like the Globull warming scam.
Leaving out costs like the $40,000 battery pack that might last 10 years, road taxes, and increased cost of ownership due to higher initial acquisition and insurance costs and lower resale value do not a true picture of “cost per mile” when comparing gas to electric. A gasoline powered car does not need a new $40,000 gas tank every 5 - 10 years.
No, FORCING Americans to only drive electrics (what you are really pushing) will not work, and is no different then claiming medical costs will plummet when all Americans are forced to buy health insurance.
Nope.
Nearly all electric car charging happens at night when we have a massive amount of unused capacity. I did a rough calculation a while ago and found that we have enough capacity to handle it if 50 million electric cars were bought tomorrow and charged tomorrow night.
Where would the electricity to charge millions of electric cars come from?
It is not magically pulled from plugs in the wall, it must be geberated from somewhere.
We are losing generation capacity.
Where do you think it will come from?
Electricity is mostly coal. With Natural gas increasingly a part of the solution. But hydro-electric and Nuclear are also used as well. Oil is a very small part of the equation and Natural gas is mostly replacing it.
Flawed calculations do not make them true. You knowledge of the actual nuts and bolts infrastructure of the US power grid is non-existant.
I once calculated I could run 85 miles an hour with the right shoes and nutrition. It didn’t make it true........
No, my other comment. You know, that other one you replied to, #89. Here it is again:
Oil is a global commodity. It is roughly the same price everywhere. So even if you don't use a drop of Iranian oil, your gasoline use aggregates with all the other U.S. and European demand, which causes an increase in global oil prices, which enriches Iran when they sell their oil to China and India.
On the other hand, if the U.S. and Europe started driving most of their miles on electricity, it would cause oil prices to plummet and bankrupt Iran.
Make sense?
Granted, understanding this does require a low-level understanding of economics.
Again, no.
Russia will not be effected one bit.
Neither will Iran.
We get far more oil from Canada than from Russia.
Your statement and premise are false.
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