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Scrap the Geneva convention and pull out the softpoint 55 grain ammo.
1 posted on 03/24/2015 6:35:31 PM PDT by Redcitizen
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The M855A1 features a steel penetrator on top of a solid copper slug, making it is more dependable than the current M855, Army officials have maintained. It delivers consistent performance at all distances and performed better than the current-issue 7.62mm round against hardened steel targets in testing. It penetrated 3/8s-inch-thick steel at ranges approaching 400 meters, tripling the performance of the M855, Army officials said.

The Corps had planned to field the Army’s M855A1 until the program suffered a major setback in August 2009, when testing revealed that some of the bullets did not follow their trajectory or intended flight path.

The earlier design of the M855A1 featured a bismuth-tin slug which proved to be sensitive to heat, prompting Marine officials to stick with the M855 and also the Special Operations Science and Technology round developed by U.S. Special Operations Command instead.

Commonly known as SOST ammo, the bullet isn’t environmentally friendly, but it offered the Corps a more effective bullet, Marine officials have said.


2 posted on 03/24/2015 6:41:20 PM PDT by vladimir998
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Loretta Sanchez, D-Calif., said at a March 19 House Armed Services Committee hearing

There is something defiantly wrong about THAT!


3 posted on 03/24/2015 6:42:15 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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They need those cop killers


4 posted on 03/24/2015 6:44:30 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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Someone once told me that the Brits were quite happy to outlaw dum-dums, because their .303 ammo already tumbled upon impact.

That reminds me, I also read somewhere that the .22 is much more effective than one would think because it also quickly goes sideways upon impact with tissue and then acts like a stable round of higher caliber.

5 posted on 03/24/2015 6:47:23 PM PDT by expat2
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No need for that, just go the route of the AK74 projectile, with hollow cavity in front of a solid portion and boattailed, pushed at close to 3000 ft/sec


6 posted on 03/24/2015 6:48:36 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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Sanchez should just shut up. There is no possible way with the full might if the U.S. military behind them could they pound any sense into her tiny lizard brain.


8 posted on 03/24/2015 6:51:55 PM PDT by The Toll
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Bottom line in the debate is powder.

The M16 and M4 have different barrel lengths.

If the powder gets a bullet up to speed in the M4 short barrel it will cause overpressure in the longer M16 barrel. It it gets the round up to speed in the longer barrel it will be under speed in the shorter M4 barrel.

Speed - spin - accuracy. Can’t get the same performance from both rifles with the same round.


9 posted on 03/24/2015 6:54:38 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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Rep. Loretta Sanchez, D-Calif.

Why is a demorat in a ranking position on this committee?

11 posted on 03/24/2015 6:57:30 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (Girlfriend suggested I use pelousy in place of swear words, A good idea, I think)
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The efficiency argument is absolute preposterous. It’s not like one entity wouldn’t need ammunition at a time that another would suddenly need more. They’re not stocking another’s ammunition in addition to their own.

Oh, wait, it’s Loretta. “Absolutely Preposterous” was redundant.


16 posted on 03/24/2015 7:14:17 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
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A machine gun belt often has AP, Tracer, and other? mixed together.


21 posted on 03/24/2015 7:38:44 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (an icon of resistance within the oppressed patriots, who represent resilience in the face of SSV)
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"Scrap the Geneva convention and pull out the soft point 55 grain ammo."

Please learn the facts before spouting mis-information. The Geneva Convention addresses treatment of POW's among other issues. It is The Hague Conventions that address rules for civilized warfare among other issues.

In addition, the Hague Conventions only apply to uniformed soldiers from one of the belligerent parties involved in a particular war. They do not apply to guerrilla warfare or terrorists.

Furthermore, the U.S. has never ratified or signed The Hague Conventions, although we have generally complied by not using expanding bullets. However, one of the several weapons I was issued in Vietnam was a 12 gauge riot gun and OO buckshot, the soft lead pellets of which did not comply.

22 posted on 03/24/2015 7:53:40 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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"U.S. lawmakers recently questioned Army and Marine Corps leaders on small-arms and why the two services buy completely different bullets for the M16A4 rifles and M4 carbines."

Agree with the Marines. Their new rifle barrel is 5.5 inches longer than the M4. It needs a different load.

And the Army, by the way, needs the longer barrel again.


23 posted on 03/24/2015 7:54:15 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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It can put food on the table.

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29 posted on 03/24/2015 9:26:17 PM PDT by 353FMG
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Can someone please explain to me what percentage of our battlefield enemies are using body armor the M855 and M855A1 rounds are supposed to defeat? My guess is 5%, or less, of our enemies do. Those that do use body armor are easily taken down by 7.62 NATO M118LR Ball. This debate is silly [and it is being driven by the environmental idiots and not combat effectiveness].
31 posted on 03/24/2015 10:25:54 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Redcitizen; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty ping.


32 posted on 03/24/2015 10:29:53 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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