Posted on 03/24/2015 9:51:17 AM PDT by Red Badger
...curious as to your take on the chart shown in post #44.
Hopefully the black box will provide answers. If it is equipment malfunction, Airbus is cooked!
Except that planes that have disintegrated in flight have always had large identifiable pieces. This looks more like disintegration upon impact against solid rock with the debris careening down the mountain.
Part of the flight path was over the Mediterranean.
A small stinger-type missile fired from a ship?.............
“You mean like the Payne Stewart flight?”
Yes, exactly....
Yesterday’s A-Check could have a lot to do with it, as well. Did they leave a valve open? or damage a seal?
What would a speed/altitude chart look like if a plane were coming in for a landing?
The infamous center fuel tank explosion.
“Hypoxia triggering an event on a commercial airliner is extremely rare, and when it occurs does not result in an impact in 10 minutes. There is nothing “insidious” about a loss of pressure on an Airbus. I am an Airbus captain.”
Then you also know that it can, and HAS happened.
Helios 552, a 737-300, in 2005, for instance.
Not necessarily. If there is enough energy, it could be in small pieces at altitude.
It will be interesting to see if the wings are intact somewhere other than this debris field, but looking at the debris field, on a mountain side the way it is, indicates that there was no “direction of travel” - in other words, the debris appears to have been placed there from above, not laterally as you see in a Controlled Flight Into Terrain (CFIT) debris field.
In CFIT, you might see this as an extended debris field, projected in the direction of travel from the actual impact point. However, that does appear to be the case. The pictures show no single impact point.
If this represents the entire debris field, this aircraft did not hit the ground intact.
On a French plane
Interesting. Extremely high energy impact. However, a MANPAD cannot reach 38,000. Maybe something else though?
Here is a photo of the crash scene showing larger pieces
http://abcnews.go.com/International/germanwings-plane-crash-france-leaves-survivors-president/story?id=29862330
Here is a photo of a plane after a fire. The plane did not nose in either. Hardly much left. The jet reached minimum takeoff speed but never lifted off the ground before it crashed into a ravine
Now imagine an aircraft flying several hundreds of miles into granite
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/62SfyE1j9Hw/0.jpg
Another view
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1816065!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/inquirer-owner-plane-crash.jpg
“I am an Airbus captain.”
The you also, that even despite training, Hypoxia isn’t always recognized, because of the effect the lack of Oxygen has on the Brain.
It is one of the things my last company got really paranoid about, after the Hekios crash, and a couple of other related incidents.
Hypoxia Recognition & Recovery Training
http://www.hypoxic-training.com/
Im thinking fire or hypoxia? Seems to me their would have been LOTS of mayday calls at the first sign of smoke and turns to closest airports. Not seeing much here except something sudden and catastrophic and that would give credence to terrorism.
What is it called when you exceed airframe speed and the aircraft breaks up in flight? Could this have been the case?
Meteorite?.................small, maybe football size, solid, undetectable by radar, 40k mph...............
Hekios = Helios...
I hate iPhones.
Helios flew for a very long time after the event. Turkish F16s were scrambled.
This happened in less than 10 minutes. There is no automation that would descend an A320 at more than 2,000 feet per minute from altitude unless intentionally directed by the crew, and if directed they were conscious. Even turning off the autopilot would not result in a steep descent like this.
A crew-initiated emergency descent would have descended at a lesser rate of descent, and that type of descent starts with the crew setting the floor,= altitude, which in the case of no terrain is never less than 10,000 MSL - and ALWAYS on autopilot. If the crew was cognizant of terrain, they would have set an even higher altitude. The terrain there is less than 10,000 MSL.
I don't know what caused it, but the scattering in this case may not indicate a mid-air explosion. This is the Alps - if a jumbo jet hit a mountain top, bits of plane would be scattered all over the valley below.
From the Wiki for Helios 552:
The Hellenic Air Accident Investigation and Aviation Safety Board (AAIASB) determined that the direct causal chain of events that led to the accident was
non-recognition by the pilots that the pressurisation system was set to “manual”,
non-identification by the crew of the true nature of the problem,
incapacitation of the crew due to hypoxia,
eventual fuel starvation,
impact with the ground.[10]
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