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Passenger plane crashes in French Alps (Airbus A320 - 148 Onboard?)
The Local - Fr ^ | 03/24/2015 | Oliver Gee

Posted on 03/24/2015 3:55:35 AM PDT by Drago

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To: RayChuang88

Yes, but that plane crashed when it ran out of fuel, this plane did not. Also, the autopilot would have kept the plane on course which is not consistent with the decrease in altitude and the crash into the mountain.


301 posted on 03/24/2015 3:09:35 PM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Raebie

Snake Pliskin???


302 posted on 03/24/2015 3:23:02 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Boeing’s has a higher safety design than airbus’s.


303 posted on 03/24/2015 5:31:16 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Spktyr
It was a combination of system failure and the pilot being unable to deal with it. The "idiot pilot" had no chance -- neither the flight-control computer nor the pilot were receiving Airspeed information critical to the ability to fly the plane, and the computer had already had a nervous breakdown.

There was too much $$ involved for Airbus to allow the plane to be blamed.

304 posted on 03/24/2015 5:41:05 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Robe

500fpm is typical only for small, slow planes. An airliner is much faster and the same glide path might require up to 2000fpm.


305 posted on 03/24/2015 5:51:36 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Yaelle

In an emergency, pilots are trained to first get the plane’s flight stabilized, and only after that to spend time communicating.


306 posted on 03/24/2015 5:55:06 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Robe

That is fairly accurate for a double failure, but the good AD system must be the one that is retained, not just any of the three, 2 of which are “bad”.


307 posted on 03/24/2015 6:00:09 PM PDT by expat2
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To: RayChuang88

i know something about FBW systems and that is my suspicion, tho I was under the impression that the pitot problem had been fixed by Airbus. (If it hadn’t, then they are in deep doo-doo)


308 posted on 03/24/2015 6:03:02 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Gideon7
The air-data system was so screwed up in 447 that the computer system supposed to fly the plane had a nervous breakdown and started calling for its Mommy. How do you expect a pilot to do any better with the same useless air-data critical to flight control.

The pilot took the blame because Airbus had too many $$ riding on the call.

309 posted on 03/24/2015 6:15:16 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Mom MD

Wrong.

The 777 and 787 are FBW only, and some of the older designs such as the 767, 747-8 use FBW to a degree.

The 787 is full electric meaning no bleed air or hydraulic pumps to run the flight controls which means they fly anywhere near a thunderstorm they can become a 175+ ton lawn dart.


310 posted on 03/24/2015 7:19:36 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Making harmless people defenseless, does not make dangerous people harmless)
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To: dfwgator

A tin can flying at 400 +/- knots hitting solid rock isn’t going to make much of a crater.


311 posted on 03/24/2015 8:09:15 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Making harmless people defenseless, does not make dangerous people harmless)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Boeing products have hydrolic redundancy for failover. Airbus products do not.


312 posted on 03/24/2015 8:13:09 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: longfellowsmuse
Here's my three-day wild guess of what really happened:

1. Flying at the 38,000 feet, the A320 suddenly experiences a major loss of cabin air pressure.
2. The flight crew--probably in violation of policy of having at least one crew member wearing an oxygen mask--started to lose consciousness and tried to start an emergency descent.
3. Since they lost consciousness within 15-20 seconds, the plane did nose down but not enough to do a truly rapid emergency descent--it looked like a normal rate of descent.
4. With the crew incapacitated, the plane with its "normal" rate of descent essentially did a prefect controlled flight into terrain (CFIT) crash, crashing into that mountainside in southern France.

313 posted on 03/24/2015 8:13:18 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Rome2000

Funny you say that because IIRC even Boeing says the A319,329,321 is a safe aircraft... I think it was mentioned somewhere in one of the UK news links posted above.


314 posted on 03/24/2015 8:16:36 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Making harmless people defenseless, does not make dangerous people harmless)
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To: fivecatsandadog
""There is no indication of a nexus to terrorism at this time,” National Security Council spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan said. "

The comment I saw was apparently true, and meaningless. They said there was no indication it was terrorism, at this time. That is NOT the same as saying it was not terrorism.

315 posted on 03/24/2015 8:24:38 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: 2CAVTrooper

FAR 25.1316(c)(7)... while I don’t have full confidence in the type certification process after the 787 battery fiasco, the requirement for the manufacturer to prove that exposure to an extreme lightning environment is there. Do you know of any accidents that have proven to be the result of loss of primary flight controls due to lightning strike (military or civilian)? Any cases of temporary loss of primary flight controls due to the same? I can’t say that I follow accident investigations or incident reports too closely, but I’ve never heard of such an event. Lightning strikes are fairly common events and I’d be shocked if the 787 (much less all the FBW airbus in operation) have not incurred multiple strikes by now.


316 posted on 03/24/2015 9:28:08 PM PDT by leakinInTheBlueSea
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To: Lexinom
Boeing products have hydrolic redundancy for failover. Airbus products do not.

First, newer Boeing products do not have hydraulic redundancy.

Second, learn how to spell hydraulic if you wish to discuss a technical subject.

317 posted on 03/25/2015 4:07:55 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Walker/Cruz 2016)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
Funny you say that because IIRC even Boeing says the A319,329,321 is a safe aircraft... I think it was mentioned somewhere in one of the UK news links posted above.

Yes, there are thousands of A319, A320, A321 jets serving as the backbone of our airline industry, just as there are thousands of 737s and 757s doing the same.

More 737s have crashed (for all reasons) than A319, A320 & A321s. So, this notion of fly-by-wire and computers being dangerous is absolute nonsense written by ill-informed morons who are no different than those who want cars to return to drum brakes, manual transmissions and carburetors.

318 posted on 03/25/2015 4:12:53 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Walker/Cruz 2016)
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To: Erik Latranyi

There are also more 737s delivered than the Airbus 320 variants, apparently. Some 2000 more.


319 posted on 03/25/2015 4:51:41 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I’ve had little sleep this week. I realized the error after posting but given the lack of an edit button was unable to correct it. Thank you for your charity and understanding.


320 posted on 03/25/2015 6:41:21 AM PDT by Lexinom
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