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Passenger plane crashes in French Alps (Airbus A320 - 148 Onboard?)
The Local - Fr ^ | 03/24/2015 | Oliver Gee

Posted on 03/24/2015 3:55:35 AM PDT by Drago

"An Airbus A320 has crashed in the southern French Alps, a security source has said." & "A Germanwings A320 has crashed in the southern French Alps, according to security sources."

(Excerpt) Read more at thelocal.fr ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1; 4u9525; a320; airbus; airbusa320; alps; aviation; barcelona; crash; daipx; dusseldorf; europeanunion; france; french; germanwings; germany; lufthansa; nato; planecrash; spain; turkey
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Related:

XL Airways Germany Flight 888T
Airbus A329
27 November 2008

The investigators’ interest focused on the Air Data Inertial Reference Unit (ADIRU) following recent similar incidents involving Airbus A330s operated by Qantas, exhibiting sudden uncommanded manoeuvring.

Analysis of the data led to an interim finding that the crew lost control of the aircraft. While conducting a planned test of low-speed flight at low altitude, the aircraft was descending through 3000 feet on full autopilot for a go-around. Landing gear was just extended when at 15:44:30 UTC the speed dropped from 136 to 99 knots in 35 seconds. The stall warning sounded four times during violent manoeuvring to regain control. By 15:46:00 the warning had silenced as the aircraft regained speed in a rapid descent, but six seconds later, at 263 knots, the aircraft had only 340 feet elevation and was 14 degrees nose down. A second later it was in the water.

In September 2010, the BEA published its final report into the accident. One of the contributing causes was incorrect maintenance procedures which allowed water to enter the angle of attack (AOA) sensors. The water then froze in flight, rendering the sensors inoperative and thus removing the protection they provided from the aircraft’s flight management system. The primary cause of the accident was that when the crew attempted an improvised test of the AOA warning system (which was not functioning due to the blocked sensors) they lost control of the aircraft. The aircraft’s computers received conflicting information, and completely disconnected. This led to all automation built into the aircraft’s systems to deactivate. Since the pilots were likely relying on the computer to optimize the aircraft to climb, and it didn’t, the crew was unable to recover from the dive. The crew was unaware that the AOA sensors were blocked, but they also disregarded the proper speed limits for the tests they were performing, resulting in a stall. Five safety recommendations were made.


221 posted on 03/24/2015 9:56:20 AM PDT by keat
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To: All
For reference.


222 posted on 03/24/2015 9:57:54 AM PDT by McGruff (Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency - Barack Obama 2009)
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To: Drago
From this site:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germanwings-airbus-a320-crash-live-5390012

Crash ‘not a terrorist attack’

The crash of a Germanwings Airbus in a remote area of the French Alps today does not appear to have been caused by a terror attack, the White House said, according to a report by Fox News.

“There is no indication of a nexus to terrorism at this time,” the cable network quoted White House National Security Council spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan as saying.

As yet there is no explanation for the crash that has killed 150 people.


First reaction from the White House (Propaganda Central)- Not Terrorism. Basically before the wreck has even been reached.

223 posted on 03/24/2015 9:58:31 AM PDT by Sleeping Freeper
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To: Churchillspirit
Not really - planes ascend slowly after their initial climb out of the airport and often they have to wait to be cleared to the higher altitudes depending on trafic.
224 posted on 03/24/2015 10:01:59 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: Sleeping Freeper

“Crash ‘not a terrorist attack’”

The same guy who said that Fort Hood wasn’t a terror attack….


225 posted on 03/24/2015 10:03:20 AM PDT by milford421 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke))
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To: Sleeping Freeper
First reaction from the White House (Propaganda Central)- Not Terrorism. Basically before the wreck has even been reached.

Hell, the WH determined that before it took off, lol.

226 posted on 03/24/2015 10:11:08 AM PDT by keat
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To: everyone
Strange debris field.

No larger pieces at all from the video

BREAKING Crash of an A320 in south of France - more details

227 posted on 03/24/2015 10:16:13 AM PDT by McGruff (Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency - Barack Obama 2009)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Obama will never blame his Muslim brothers for anything


228 posted on 03/24/2015 10:23:01 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: McGruff

It is absurd that the commercial airlines are not required to continuously stream and broadcast in real time all black box data to receiving stations around the world. When a commercial airliner goes down or is lost, we need to know immediately the potential causes and what went wrong up to the point of destruction. Speculation and waiting to find an elusive black box only wastes time.

Instead the airlines continuously attempt to squeeze out more profits through less service, and by adding fees, surcharges, and squeezing more bodies into less seat space, while always having their hand out to government for subsidies when things go wrong like 9-11 and other tragic events. What do the resulting searches cost all taxpayers?


229 posted on 03/24/2015 10:26:35 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Americans need to replace political gullibility with cynicism of a system that mostly screws us.)
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To: KSCITYBOY
Thanks for the clarification.

Most of my flying is from LAX to London. Perhaps these long haul flights get priority.

230 posted on 03/24/2015 10:28:25 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

I do not trust anything that comes from the White Hut as long as Obama and Minions are the occupants.


231 posted on 03/24/2015 10:34:39 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog ("Islam is Islam. There are no modifiers. It's a political movement masquerading as a religion.")
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To: McGruff

Looks to me like debris from a mid-air explosion.


232 posted on 03/24/2015 10:35:35 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog ("Islam is Islam. There are no modifiers. It's a political movement masquerading as a religion.")
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To: keat
There has been a LOT of issues with the pitot tubes on any Airbus airliner equipped with fly-by-wire systems where if the pitot tubes are not properly kept heated at altitude, the resulting freezing of the pitot tube can cause abnormal behavior of the fly-by-wire system. This is why once the black boxes from this flight is analyzed, they need to compare against what happened on Air France Flight 447 and possibly Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501, where fly-by-wire abnormalities caused by possibly frozen pitot tubes caused flight crew reactions that may be crashed both planes.
233 posted on 03/24/2015 10:35:57 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Churchillspirit

Plane crash sites often look like this, so I don’t think an in-air explosion is necessarily the cause based on the debris. But, I wonder what caused a plane cruising at altitude to suddenly plummet. That’s a rare event in any event.


234 posted on 03/24/2015 10:35:59 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: milford421

A midair explosion would show up as several planes on radar and have more debris fields over a larger area, some miles apart.


235 posted on 03/24/2015 10:36:49 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: RayChuang88

True.


236 posted on 03/24/2015 10:37:07 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: apoliticalone

Instrumenting aircraft is no small feat...doing so as a retrofit?

I do believe we’re still waiting for flame sensors in cargo bays, are we not?


237 posted on 03/24/2015 10:38:53 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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238 posted on 03/24/2015 10:39:00 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

239 posted on 03/24/2015 10:40:16 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: McGruff
From your link. Air speed was just under 400 kts just before contact was lost. A fast but mostly steady descent, almost constant air speed, no large pieces, wide debris field - any thing to be speculated with this info?


240 posted on 03/24/2015 10:41:26 AM PDT by CedarDave (Bush vs. Clinton in 2016 - If you have a 22-year old car, the bumper stickers are still good.)
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