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ATF and Some Democrats Already Looking at Ways to Revive Ban on AR-15 Ammunition
Townhall.com ^ | March 13, 2015 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 03/13/2015 7:50:40 AM PDT by Kaslin

Earlier this week the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms announced it would temporarily delay a ban on AR-15 M855 "green tip" ammunition. 

"Although ATF endeavored to create a proposal that reflected a good faith interpretation of the law and balanced the interests of law enforcement, industry, and sportsmen, the vast majority of the comments received to date are critical of the framework, and include issues that deserve further study," an ATF press release stated. "Accordingly, ATF will not at this time seek to issue a final framework. After the close of the comment period, ATF will process the comments received, further evaluate the issues raised therein, and provide additional open and transparent process (for example, through additional proposals and opportunities for comment) before proceeding with any framework." 

But according to testimony given by ATF Direct B. Todd Jones yesterday to the Senate Appropriations Committee yesterday, the Bureau is already looking at ways to ban the ammunition and went a step further by claiming "all" 5.56 ammunition poses a special a threat to law enforcement. From the Washington Examiner

In a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing, ATF Director B. Todd Jones said all types of the 5.56 military-style ammo used by shooters pose a threat to police as more people buy the AR-15-style pistols.

"Any 5.56 round" is "a challenge for officer safety," he said. Jones asked lawmakers to help in a review of a 1986 bill written to protect police from so-called "cop killer" rounds that largely exempted rifle ammo like the 5.56 because it has been used by target shooters, not criminals.

His agency's move to ban the 5.56 M855 version was condemned by the National Rifle Association and majorities in the House and Senate and as a result was pulled back though not abandoned. At the hearing Jones said that nearly 90,000 comments on the proposal were received, many negative.

As a result, he said that the ATF will suspend rewriting the "framework" used to exempt armor piercing ammo from sale or use. "It probably isn't going to happen any time soon," he said. Jones also said, "We are not going to move forward."

Meanwhile, Democrats are pushing ATF to move forward with the ban, despite more the majority of the 80,000 comments submitted to the Bureau being opposed to the ban.

Congressional Democrats are pressuring the Obama administration to move ahead “swiftly” with a proposal that would ban a form of armor-piercing ammunition.

In a draft letter first obtained by The Hill, Democrats are urging the director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to use his “existing authority” to keep “dangerous ammunition out of our communities.”

“We hope that the Bureau will swiftly review comments on the proposed framework and issue a revised proposal that will address the danger posed by handguns that fire 5.56mm and other rifle ammunition,” Democrats write in the letter.

Last week more than 200 members of the House, including Republicans and Democrats, sent a letter to ATF opposing the ban on AR-15 M855 "green tip" ammunition. Fifty-two Senators did the same. The head of the Fraternal Order of Police has stated AR-15 "green tip" ammunition doesn't pose a special threat to law enforcement and there is zero evidence to show AR-15 pistols are being used against police.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: ar15; atd; banglist; batf; btoddjones; doj; greentipban
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1 posted on 03/13/2015 7:50:41 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

BATF is the new strong arm of the left.


2 posted on 03/13/2015 7:52:18 AM PDT by exnavy (Islam is not a religion, it is an attack plan for war.)
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To: Kaslin

” ATF will not at this time “

An honest and clear statement that they will try again when they think no one is watching.


3 posted on 03/13/2015 7:59:58 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Kaslin
obozo should just declare all citizen owned firearms and ammo illegal and order that it be seized. Then let the fun begin.
4 posted on 03/13/2015 8:00:13 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: Kaslin

They are reallllly a bunch of political idiots with no semblance of weaponry.

I’d trade a black tip 30-06 from a Garand or M-14 for SS109s all day long. I’m not figuring on having to hump a bunch of ammo through the bush all day long.


5 posted on 03/13/2015 8:00:14 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin

So we maybe could pick up and AR-10 with the less lethal .308 chambering and rubber tipped rounds? Of course the bad guys won’t give a crap either way.


6 posted on 03/13/2015 8:00:23 AM PDT by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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To: exnavy

Watch, the next regulation will come from the IRS when they implement their manufactured nexus between firearm ownership and healthcare. These people are relentless and we are facing a dictatorship. The people do have options and answers. It is a question of are they willing to employ them while they have them.


7 posted on 03/13/2015 8:01:10 AM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: Kaslin

We are all better off if the Rats live in fear. Just look at what the low-lifes have done to us while the citizens are still armed. I can only imagine what they will do to us if we are unarmed . . . and the vision I have is not pretty . . . not at all.


8 posted on 03/13/2015 8:02:15 AM PDT by RatRipper (Obama has made me the slave of sluggards.)
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To: rktman

Actually, I’m not at all about LESS LETHAL in any fashion. :0)


9 posted on 03/13/2015 8:02:24 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: RatRipper

So...make them wonder if they’ll get home safely at night?


10 posted on 03/13/2015 8:03:15 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin

Funny, we predicted this behavior days ago.
And the ban never existed or was implemented, so how can it be revived?
Sure, it was bloviated about, talked up, and trial ballooned, but it never was put out for real.
UNLESS we aren’t being told something!


11 posted on 03/13/2015 8:03:42 AM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: Kaslin

The military is treaty bound to use only FMJ ammo. The police use much more deadly hollow point ammo. Former Attorney General Ashcroft told the Senate the second amendment is so the People can defend ourselves from a tyrannical government. So “cop killer” ammo is protected by the 2nd amendment.


12 posted on 03/13/2015 8:05:22 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Kaslin

Democrats write in the letter.

So it’s OK for Demonrat Senators to write a letter to a government agency in favor of Overthrowing the US Constitution, but if the Republican Senators send a letter to Terrorist Nation about their intentions to Enforce the US Constitution it’s bad??


13 posted on 03/13/2015 8:08:37 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Kaslin

Cops are being killed and not by this ammunition. How can this be?


14 posted on 03/13/2015 8:10:53 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarca only ones we can gesm or criticism...or do.)
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To: rktman

Just use steel-core 54R. It’s cheap and more powerful than any of the carbine calibers. And it’s from Russia. That’ll give the gun grabbers something new to hashtag about on Twitter.


15 posted on 03/13/2015 8:11:51 AM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

Actually, “cop killer” ammo should have exceptional protection under the second amendment. In a tyrannical government, the enemy will be a “police” force. Not the local police as we know them today, but something more like Obama’s “citizen police force”


16 posted on 03/13/2015 8:14:38 AM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Kaslin

Fact: M855 doesn’t require a “sporting purposes” exemption, because it isn’t an armor piercing round by ATF’s own definition.

This was, and is, an attempt to write law. This agency needs to be defunded and closed immediately.


17 posted on 03/13/2015 8:33:30 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot ( Total War)
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To: Gaffer
So...make them wonder if they’ll get home safely at night?

Make them live with the intent of the 2nd Amendment: that they must accept the consequences of their governing actions . . . if their governing actions be tyranny, the citizens are armed, having the capacity to resist the tyranny.

When and how resistance is meted out likely would be opportunistic, although if a tyrant fears going home at night, that would be a very, very good thing since tyrants typically are not limited by morality and sense of responsibility to the citizens they should be serving.

18 posted on 03/13/2015 8:38:36 AM PDT by RatRipper (Obama has made me the slave of sluggards.)
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To: Hugh the Scot

Does anyone notice a common thread on how America is being destroyed?


19 posted on 03/13/2015 8:38:53 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Islam is the military wing of the Communist party.)
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To: Kaslin

B. Todd Jones ....is this dummkopf an affirmative action hire or what? How did he manage to climb up the greasy pole?

Another Jeh Johnson clone


20 posted on 03/13/2015 8:42:26 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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