Ted Cruz questions Supreme Court ruling ordering free education for immigrant kids

Dallas Morning News ^ | March 9, 2015 10:47 am | Todd J. Gillman

[HiJinx]

overturned by the Congress but preferably by amendment

Amend the 14th?

[Regulator]

Yes. It can be modified by Congress, but that’s a law easily overturned in another congress. Better to just change it.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Of course there is a strong argument. How can you possibly torture the Constitution around to say that a person who is in this country illegally has to be given an education? Its insane.

[BlackAdderess]

There are plenty of indisputable stuff down in black and white in community after community after community, without having to make claims in dispute. Better to not muddy the issue and hand weapons to the opposition, especially when libertarians (who have been self-identifying as conservatives) have been not getting their kids immunized and have been the larger part of the problem.

[BlackAdderess]

“is” whoops!

[CA Conservative]

Sorry Naps, but no, his leadership skills and his fidelity to conservative policy positions, which far outshine all other possible POTUS candidates scream for President of the US.

While I agree with you about his fidelity to conservative positions, his leadership skills still have yet to be demonstrated. To be a leader, you have to get people to follow you, and I haven't seen him demonstrate that in a consistent way in the Senate. That is not to say he could not do so in the future.

Just as we should not accept that Walker's current position on immigration is genuine without more to support it, neither should we just accept that Cruz would be a good leader without seeing some actual cases in which he has demonstrated leadership and been able to bring along some of the doubters and persuadables to his point of view.

[SoConPubbie]

While I agree with you about his fidelity to conservative positions, his leadership skills still have yet to be demonstrated. To be a leader, you have to get people to follow you, and I haven't seen him demonstrate that in a consistent way in the Senate. That is not to say he could not do so in the future.

You've narrowed down your premise to fit your conclusion.

Either you have not been paying attention, or you chose to purposefully and artificially limit your proposed result set.

He was single-handedly able to lead the house while being a sitting senator.

He was, and is, one of the primary leaders of the Tea-Party effort, and many conservatives will tell you he is their leader.

Now, if Scott Walker did not have a Republican Legislature, he would not have any of the accomplishments he has so far. ALL of his success is dependent on having a Legislature that will provide him bills that he can sign.

[itsahoot]

This is an example of how Ted Cruz's intellect can identify the source of problems, which has to happen before they can be solved.

I did not go to Harvard, and I know how wrong it was for the court to order government paid education for illegals.

No different than a court requiring you personally to feed and cloth your neighbors children and all it takes to figure that out is a little common sense and experience.

[itsahoot]

But I do think there is value in the principle of stare decisis, which is a Latin term for things which are decided. There is value in legal precedent.”

Yep neat tool for a judge or two to have the ability to amend the Constitution. Stare decisis is a great tool for tyrants.

[itsahoot]

It’s almost like Conservatives are surrounded in America by a multi-faced enemy hostile to America itself.

The only reason you feel that way is because it is true. The democratic Party is now full blown Communist Controlled and the GOP is growing into that position as we speak.

[itsahoot]

He was single-handedly able to lead the house while being a sitting senator.

Not to be a nit picker but exactly where did he lead the House to? We have funded the illegal presidential amnesty as if nothing happened, other than some wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[SoConPubbie]

Not to be a nit picker but exactly where did he lead the House to? We have funded the illegal presidential amnesty as if nothing happened, other than some wailing and gnashing of teeth.

yea, nit-picky is the right word.

Remember the effort to defund Obamacare and how he got blamed for the so-called shut-down?

[Monorprise]

““There is a very strong argument that the 14th Amendment doesn’t require that,” Cruz said.”

There is a strong argument that the 14th amendment doesn’t apply to foreigners just like it don’t apply to Indians. The same argument made by the crafters, and radifers when thy inserted the clause “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”.

Unfortunately for our republic Federal employees in black robes have a long history of ignoring the Federal Constitution when it comes to limiting their appointing masters or their own power.

[combat_boots]

The sheer expense on the buildings, busses, implements, desks, roads, paper, extra teachers and classes...the non-pretty things of abuse of the education apparatus cannot be overstated. No town or city can AFFORD this onslaught...nor can the citizens.

[Monorprise]

““Plyler v. Doe as a legal matter is certainly binding Supreme Court precedent,” Cruz said. “You can have a theoretical argument about the role of the Supreme Court. But I do think there is value in the principle of stare decisis, which is a Latin term for things which are decided. There is value in legal precedent.””

If the Federal Employees in black robes believed in “stare decisis” the ruling “Plyler v. Doe” would be moot, as the same court had already ruled as the the 14th amendment did not apply to foreigner as the operative clause “Subject to the jurisdiction there of” said according to the original authors and radifers.

Frankly the Federal employees have no ground to stand upon in upholding that clearly unlawful edict.

[Iscool]

He’d be far more useful as a USSC Justice then in the senate or presidency.

After 8 years of presidency...

[napscoordinator]

Walker, with his strengths in taking on the Unions, need to be the Secretary of Labor. His skills are perfect for that job.

Honestly never thought of that. If he does not get the nomination, perhaps that is a good fit.

[itsahoot]

Remember the effort to defund Obamacare and how he got blamed for the so-called shut-down?

Sure I remember, do you remember what was accomplished? Did they defund anything? Did they dump the Majority leader?

It brought Ted to national prominence just like Runt Paul before him but nothing changed and 2017 is way to late to undo what the Socialist/Marxist have brought about, even while the GOP had a majority in both houses.

Color me cynical until I see results and not just speeches.

[SoConPubbie]

It brought Ted to national prominence just like Runt Paul before him but nothing changed and 2017 is way to late to undo what the Socialist/Marxist have brought about, even while the GOP had a majority in both houses.

Color me cynical until I see results and not just speeches.

Let's be perfectly clear, if Scott Walker did not have a Republican Legislature, he would have accomplished nothing. Would you have called him a great leader then?

Because George Washington lost several battles early in the Revolutionary War, was he still not a Leader, even a Great Leader?

Leading entails setting goals (In this case conservative goals), effective and intelligent communication, and the ability to convince people to follow you.

Ted Cruz has those qualities in much more abundance than Scott Walker.

Let me ask you this, if Ronald Reagan was in Ted Cruz's spot, with a Democrat controlled congress, most of the time, and a GOP-E controlled congress and he was not able, as a Senator to push legislation through congress, but on every single conservative issue he was out front and center, would you have called him lacking in Leadership?

You have artificially narrowed your definition of Leadership to fit the situation.

[stephenjohnbanker]

” How long can the media keep up the myth of those bogus polls showing Ted Cruz as lagging in support? “

As long as they can!