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Greek Crisis Deepens
The Telegraph ^ | 28 Feb 2015 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 02/28/2015 6:33:12 PM PST by NRx

Greece's new currency designs are ready. The green 50 drachma note features Cornelius Castoriadis, the Marxisant philosopher and sworn enemy of privatisation.

The Nobel poet Odysseus Elytis - voice of Eastward-looking Hellenism - honours the 200 note. The bills rise to 10,000 drachma, a wise precaution lest there is a hyperinflationary shock as Greece breaks out of its debt-deflation trap at high velocity.

The amateur blueprints are a minor sensation in Greek artistic circles. They are only half in jest.

Greece's Syriza radicals have signed a fragile ceasefire with the eurozone's creditor powers. Few think this can last as escalating deadlines reach their kairotic moment in June.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: alexistsipras; cyprus; economy; greece; syriza
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Full title: Humiliated Greece eyes Byzantine pivot as crisis deepens - abbreviated to fit

This is actually a rather detailed piece so please read and comment on the article, not just the headline and excerpt.

1 posted on 02/28/2015 6:33:13 PM PST by NRx
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To: Kolokotronis

Ping for your thoughts.


2 posted on 02/28/2015 6:34:24 PM PST by NRx
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To: NRx

How far are we behind Greece in regards to the mess they are in?


3 posted on 02/28/2015 6:46:45 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: NRx
Greece is sparking the explosion which will be the collapse of the Euro.

The collapse of the US Dollar is not far behind.

4 posted on 02/28/2015 6:55:58 PM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Graybeard58

“How far are we behind Greece in regards to the mess they are in?”

Nowhere near far enough!Q

That the question can even be reasonably raised is indicative of how far and deep the communist rot has spread throughout America.


5 posted on 02/28/2015 6:57:20 PM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est. Because of what Islam is - and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: NRx

Nowhere in the article does it say where all the money from these huge loans went. I would like to see a breakdown of the loan recipients.


6 posted on 02/28/2015 6:58:44 PM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: NRx

The 124 percent debt is absurd.

Greece simply cannot repay it.

In the end, I suspect the EU will write off most of the debt because a Greek collapse is in the interest of no one.

Allowing Greece to default means its creditors won’t get anything.

The EU will have have to climb down to avert a fiscal and human meltdown.


7 posted on 02/28/2015 7:18:12 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Graybeard58
How far are we behind Greece in regards to the mess they are in?

That's the eighteen trillion dollar question isn't it?

8 posted on 02/28/2015 7:35:12 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: VanShuyten
Before the crisis, Greek politicians borrowed money like there was no tomorrow, shuffling jobs and pension payments to their favored constituents and massive 'public works' contracts to family and cronies.

After the crisis, the creditors forced Greece to borrow more money, almost all of which went to pay interest on existing debt.

They are now being asked to pay off 25% of the principal within 5 years, a target almost everyone recognizes as impossible. The creditor governments (principally Germany) provide T-bills "assets" to the ECB. The ECB then then forces Greece to take new loans whose funds are then used to pay off the creditor nations' banks.

The banks balance sheets improve, Greece goes down the toilet and the creditor nations' voters are kept ignorant of the fact that their tax money is really being used to bail out their own banks while their governments are left on the hook for the ECB's Greek losses.

Very similar to how TARP loans were "repaid" by free money given to the banks by the Fed who used T-Bills as "deposits" to back the loans.

Socialize losses, privatize profits-- the same formula for success for oligarchs the world over!

9 posted on 02/28/2015 7:36:02 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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10 posted on 02/28/2015 7:39:53 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: SkyPilot

Amen - this is bigger than anything in the news today - or at least it will be very soon!


11 posted on 02/28/2015 7:49:58 PM PST by impactplayer
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To: NRx

I have yet to see the Greek who will stand up and say, “We are going to roll up our shirtsleeves and work our way out of this!”

All I see is Greeks begging and blaming somebody else for the problems the Greeks caused.

Get off your dead asses and on your dying feet and work your way out of this! You want easy? There is no easy. There’s work your way out of this or be someone’s slave. And don’t cry if you ask them to slip a collar around your neck.


12 posted on 02/28/2015 8:06:06 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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I hope Greece falls flat on its ass and no lifts and hand to get them back up. Perhaps only then will they take fiscal responsibility seriously. If not, they could whore themselves out to Russia.


13 posted on 02/28/2015 8:26:44 PM PST by Moose47
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To: NRx

We need Ambrose back. He was fearless, and we need his kind of reporting.


14 posted on 02/28/2015 8:34:05 PM PST by Defiant (Please excuse Mr. Clinton for his involvement with young girls. --Epstein's Mother)
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To: VanShuyten
Nowhere in the article does it say where all the money from these huge loans went.

It went into the pockets of all the administrators between the main bank in Athens and the final destination in rural Greece....the local Mayor and his/her buddies then took their cut.

15 posted on 02/28/2015 8:45:03 PM PST by spokeshave (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people,)
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To: NRx

16 posted on 02/28/2015 9:19:03 PM PST by Mr. Peabody
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To: goldstategop

A decade ago, I would agree with you on the way that things would proceed. Iceland’s little ‘solution’ changed that perception. Iceland defaulted and said no....they would not pay for what the banks did. I think Greece might pull the book out, repeat most of the Iceland procedure, and go back to the Drachma.

Three other EU members are in a fair amount of financial woes and might themselves be in trouble within two years.

In the end, I suspect only six European countries are somewhat stable and capable of carrying out a mutual agenda. There’s no reason to dump the Euro....if those can survive.


17 posted on 02/28/2015 9:40:10 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: pierrem15
The creditor governments (principally Germany) provide T-bills "assets" to the ECB. The ECB then then forces Greece to take new loans whose funds are then used to pay off the creditor nations' banks.

The Greeks already defaulted on their loans from the banks. Now they want to default on their loans from the ECB and IMF.

Very similar to how TARP loans were "repaid" by free money given to the banks by the Fed who used T-Bills as "deposits" to back the loans.

The Fed didn't give money to anyone. They made short term loans. Loans that were paid back BEFORE the banks paid back TARP.

Socialize losses, privatize profits

Which losses were socialized?

18 posted on 02/28/2015 9:43:18 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: NRx

It’s not the first time. Look at the dates for the following.

Why ‘Voluntary’ Haircuts On Greek Bonds Will Haunt Europe
Forbes ^ | 10/27/2011 | Steve Schaefer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2799409/posts

Posted on 10/28/2011, 5:29:59 PM by bruinbirdman

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Something seems a little off about the latest plan out of Europe, which features a 50% haircut for Greek bondholders.


EU: Greek deal frays as IMF threatens walk-out on debt buy-back impasse
The Telegraph ^ | 11/29/2012 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2964303/posts
Posted on 11/29/2012, 10:56:48 PM by bruinbirdman

[Excerpt:]
Private investors are furious at demands that they take a second “haircut” of 70pc on residual holdings, after already taking a 53.5pc loss earlier this year, while official creditors still refuse all loses.


19 posted on 02/28/2015 10:06:48 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I don't believe the Greeks were already in default: the creditors were forced to take a 10% haircut, but the remaining debt has been in the process of being rolled over so that private creditors' loans are being paid off and replaced by new Greek T-Bills purchased by the ECB (and maybe the IMF). The ECB's assets (like the Fed it has no real assets in a conventional sense) are government bonds that it purchases and counts as an asset aginst which further loans are made.

In brief Euro denominated government bonds are laundered through the ECB to make loans to Greece, and that money goes mainly to repay private Greek creditors.

My contention is that TARP and QE have worked more or less the same way here: to say the banks "repaid" TARP after they received hundreds of billions in "free" money from the Fed in QE is a bit equivocal, don't you think?

20 posted on 02/28/2015 11:36:26 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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