Posted on 02/28/2015 12:27:35 AM PST by TigerClaws
n a windowless classroom at an Arcadia tutoring center, parents crammed into child-sized desks and dug through their pockets and purses for pens as Ann Lee launches a PowerPoint presentation.
Her primer on college admissions begins with the basics: application deadlines, the relative virtues of the SAT versus the ACT and how many Advanced Placement tests to take.
Then she eases into a potentially incendiary topic — one that many counselors like her have learned they cannot avoid.
“Let's talk about Asians,” she says.
Lee's next slide shows three columns of numbers from a Princeton University study that tried to measure how race and ethnicity affect admissions by using SAT scores as a benchmark. It uses the term “bonus” to describe how many extra SAT points an applicant's race is worth. She points to the first column.
African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says. Asian Americans would lose out under affirmative action Asian Americans would lose out under affirmative action
She points to the second column.
“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”
The last column draws gasps.
Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.
“Do Asians need higher test scores? Is it harder for Asians to get into college? The answer is yes,” Lee says.
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I was thinking maybe they were talking about Asian Americans..?
I was wondering....do they call themselves Chinese Americans...or maybe Japanese Americans....
It's a little maddening that when the only time ethnicity is important is when one is dealing with "Negro Americans...!"
No one seams to give a rats butt that I'm part Irish, Scottish and English...
I drink too much, golf too much and rarely bathe.... It's quite a handicap... I need some compensation...!
:)
University affirmative discrimination is illegal in California.
The world over voting for more or less government is driven by population density. When humans live like sardines they need a lot of big gov to make it work. The higher the density, the more socialist the voters, which points to causation. Like Jews, most Asians live in or near big cities. How about helping to make Asians feel safe and welcome living in the exburbs? People live where they feel accepted, and vote accordingly. With self-driving cars almost here we're going to see more people evacuating farther away from the rat filled cities. People that live in the countryside generally vote for more freedom and less government.
I’m pretty sure that employers are not allowed to ask for SAT scores or give any sort of IQ test. These laws were written to protect minorities from “unfair” disadvantages. There are so many of these laws. Recently, I heard about a newly proposed law preventing employers from learning about a candidate’s jail/arrest record!
IMO, one reason we got to this point is because the people who work in the admissions departments of universities are generally not the best and the brightest. But they are bright enough to know how to change policies to admit more people like themselves and that is what they have done.
It may be illegal in CA, but that has not stopped the lib college administrators from continuing to do it. Prof. Glenn Grossclose of UCLA did a study proving it. The UCLA administration hated him for doing it, blocked his promotion, and he moved on to George Mason University. The administrators now talk about “overcoming life obstacles”. That is their way of adding subjectivity to the admission process, which means they can have more leeway in choosing minorities.
No matter their ramblings for setting up a system of race discrimination, it’s illegal. The Asians and whites can sue.
I remember the Bill Cosby routine about grading on “The Curve”.
If there was an Asian kid in your Class, you were screwed.
Princeton probably spotted Moochelle 500 points. Academically she was in way over her head.
“The Asians and whites can sue.”
There is currently a class action suit against Harvard and UNC-Chapel Hill. Here is the website of the plaintiffs:
http://studentsforfairadmissions.org/about/
I understand their argument to be thus:
1. Racial discrimination in college admissions is generally illegal.
2. For the purpose of promoting diversity, schools may resort to some race-conscious admission practices, but these practices must survive “strict scrutiny,” that is, the colleges and universities must first attempt to achieve the desired end - diversity - without resort to institutional racism.
3. Colleges and universities have used this exception as a shield to engage in anti-Asian racism.
4. The plaintiffs assert, and claim to be able to prove in court, that diversity can be achieved without resort to institutional racism, thus vitiating the justificatiion for the practice by colleges and universities.
It's an interesting case. I'll follow it and will take some modest amusement to watch prestigious schools do their dance around the issues. I've found that the issue of anti-Asian racism at elite schools makes liberals’ heads explode. Good popcorn-eating opportunities will abound.
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No there aren't. And I fully support giving out visa by the hundreds of thousands to foreign students who are qualified and willing to pay the exorbitant out-of-state tuition fees. You know, the folks who are following immigration rules, spending money here, want to succeed through hard work and talent, and who have the ability to make the world a better place (many stay here, and many go back home to improve their home countries).
As for the "great universities in China"... not one is ranked in the Top 100 in the world (as ranked by SHANGHAIranking.com), while the US has 52. The top 3 Chinese universities (their Harvard, Yale, and MIT) ranked in the same grouping with Baylor, Case Western, Emory, Tufts, Virginia, etc (#101-150)... certainly some decent US campuses, but not exactly global powerhouse universities.
In the Top 100:
The US has 52 (Texas A&M being #96)...
Including all of the Top 4... 8 of the Top 9... 16 of the Top 18... and 26 of the Top 34.
(In the Top 34, there are 2 in Japan, 1 Swiss, 1 Canadian, 4 British... and 26 US.)
The rest of the planet in the Top 100:
UK has 8 (ranks #5, 9, 20, 22, 38, 45, 59, and 63)
Switzerland has 5 (19, 56, 66, 90, 96)
France has 4 (35, 42, 67, 95)
Germany has 4 (49, 49, 53, 94)
Australia has 4 (44, 74, 85, 88)
Canada has 4 (24, 37, 67, 90)
Netherlands has 4 (57, 77, 82, 100)
Japan has 3 (21, 26, and 78.. and not exactly a friendly place for Chinese)
Sweden has 3
Israel has 2, as does Belgium, and Denmark
Norway has 1, as does Finland, and Russia (#84)
When you are focused on Education (as almost EVERY Chinese person with ANY ability is, having it hammered in from birth, by every section of their culture), the US is by far the best choice for your best possible future.
In California they passed a voter initiative making racial discrimination illegal for any reason in the state. Ward Connerly led that effort.
But, according to the other poster here, the Chinese are the smartest people on Earth, so what you're describing is simply impossible.
Look, why do you want to go to Princeton if everyone there is dumber than you? Why not dream of going to a university that's fully populated with the smartest people in the world--the chinese! Such as the unis in China. Don't ruin your future by spending your formative years hanging around with dumb and intellectually inferior white people, blacks, hispanics, etc at Princeton.
Indeed. No one would deny they are fanatics about education. The "Mr Lee" who applied for admission and the "Mr Lee" who sat for the tests were not quite the same "Mr Lee"... that sort of thing.
You’ll have to provide data/facts to back up your assertion that they’re all cheats.
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