Posted on 02/21/2015 4:58:17 PM PST by Red in Blue PA
OTAY MESA — An FBI agent's handgun discharged into his leg Thursday morning during training at a firearms training center in Otay Mesa, a federal official said.
The shooting happened at the San Diego Regional Firearms Training Center on Alta Road about 10 a.m., FBI Special Agent Darrell Foxworth said. Investigators are trying to determine if the agent accidentally shot himself or if the gun malfunctioned.
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Sounds lovely.
Detroit Police, and many suburbs, use .40 cal Glocks. They're cheap, sturdy, foolproof, and very (but not perfectly) idiot-resistant.
One day, a DPD cadet came in to a gun store while I was browsing. She asked the sales guy what a revolver was, or rifle, shotgun, how a scope worked, etc. It turns out their entire firearms course consisted of learning how to launch rounds from their Glock in the general direction of the intended target. Not even pictures of anything else. The salesman spent an hour answering her questions, and letting her handle other types of weapons, with emphasis on safety.
He later said that he probably lost a couple of sales while she was there, but they consider it their civic duty. The more experienced police come by at other times to buy their personal weapons, or to rent something new to try before they buy. Even the Windsor, Ont. police come by on their own time and own dime to rent a duplicate of their carry weapons for individual practice. They can't even touch "their own" weapons outside of their shift. It gets signed out from the arms vault, and signed back in before they go home, OR ELSE!
Handgun rules in Canuckistan are Libtardism writ large.
The right gun depends on your size/strength and the purpose of the gun. Do you want to do some target shooting for fun, do you want to respond to someone who might break into your home, or something else? What is your budget (I'd visit http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/21 for ballpark pricing to see roughly how much various handguns cost)? You can get a huge amount of good gun advice on FR, but the trick is recognizing the advice that works for you.
General thoughts: revolvers are easier to operate and easier to clean than semiautomatics. Semiautomatics are often smaller and lighter, which can matter if you think a gun is too heavy to hold steady. I intensely dislike barrels under 4" - too hard to shoot accurately with them - but some people like them because they are light and easier to conceal. Quality matters, but it also costs more. Some people will say get at least a .40 caliber, but that may be too big, too heavy, and too hard on your hands; I'd say get something you can hit with and you're willing to practice with. It's far better to hit with a .22 than miss with a .44. Take a handgun safety course before you buy, and shoot as many different types of handgun as possible.
In .22 caliber (quiet, cheap to shoot, will discourage most attackers, and multiple hits with a .22 can be fatal when that is necessary), the Ruger 22/45 and the Smith & Wesson Model 22A are nice, accurate, reliable semiautomatics for under $300. The Taurus Tracker is a good revolver in the same caliber.
In 9mm (much bigger and louder, kicks more but not too much, and fairly good for stopping power), the semiautomatic Springfield XD 9mm is about $450, the semiautomatic Hk VP9 is $600, and the semiautomatic Browning Hi-Power is about $900. For a comparable revolver, the .38 special is similar, and there are several good Smith and Wesson, Taurus, or Ruger options in that caliber for about $400 to $600.
Every gun I mentioned is good (at least for the price), with good safety features, and I've personally fired it many times, as well as seen it recommended by others I respect.
1911 is such a beautiful gun and of such beautiful design but I get the chills carrying it with the hammer back and even with the safety on.
(Sigh) Life is not perfect — if it were, I would not need a 1911.
When guns are outlawed, only doofus’s will have guns.
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Wouldn’t that be ‘dufi” ?
I generally HATE pistols with slide-mounted safeties, but my experience has been that the Px4 series is a good choice for a people who will - as you said - take the time to understand how they work. Between the easy de-cocking, the long-ish DA trigger pull and the visible hammer, the Berettas are good candidates for people with "belt & suspenders" personalities.
Mr. niteowl77
Once again, just like that fellow on YOUTUBE that was holstering his ssemi-automatic pistol, a guy, a federal agent no less, shot himself in the leg.
I wonder what the percentage was, when all feds and local LE folks had revolvers?
A semi-auto pistol, and i have a few, is more touchy than a double action revolver.
In the days when semi-auto pistols had external hammers, and not striker-designed actions, it was easier, and more readily viewable from a distance, to see if the hammer was cocked, unlike a striker design, with a teeny little indicator only to be seen by the wielder of the firearm.
Glocks are horrible pistols, I don’t care what anybody says—especially “trained professionals”.
I owned a handful at one time and they stove-piped and jammed all the time. My M&P’s....not one single hitch in over 5,000 rounds.
I don’t know why anyone would modify a Glock (to be fair, it’s also happening to M&P40s and others of that ilk, but there are more Glocks out there) to make the pull lighter/smoother than it already is, but there’s one hell of a large market for such goods/services.
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4”-6” groups into 1.5”-2.5” groups @ 15+/- yards; rapidly......
Anyone here
Your trigger can easily be modified to your likes.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ruger+lcp+trigger+upgrade&qpvt=ruger+lcp+trigger+upgrade
My only concern is stopping.an intruder. I have no interest beyond that. I am on the ‘light’ side-—110 lbs. and 5’4”. Give me something that says, “I am serious. Go away now!”.
kg/nancy
“I don’t know what happened, it just went off.”
Was he practicing his fast draw? We had that happen in my town 35 years ago.
+1 On the revolver, and have good safe fun. Lotsa free advice around here...
WHOA, them there's fightin' words, FRiend! (LOL)
Seriously, it is much easier to field-strip my Glock than my wife's Walther. Until I got a captive recoil spring for the Walther, it was always going, "SPROINNNNNG!"
I certainly have over 1,000 rounds through my Glock, and have never had a malf. If they were "horrible" pistols, how come they sell so many?
Come on, FRiend. This is "Ford" and "Chevy" stuff. Both get you around. Both pistols also go "bang" when the trigger is pressed. Which is what this Fibbie did, IMHO.
The trigger pull on my 100 was perfect out of the box. Her 101's pull was much harder, which affected its accuracy in double-action. Our dealer tried two more trigger actions for her 101 before finding one comparable to my Ruger 100's.
Both are very nice weapons for handgun beginners, and lots of fun on the range. It is desirable to get a half dozen speed loaders, but those about $10-11 each on Amazon.
I had to get started again after 40 years of shooting. At one time I had well over 200 guns, mostly handguns but still a lot of rifles but only 7 or 8 shotguns. I also had several dozen air and pellet rifles.
At One time I had 4 Colt H-Bars new in the box along with ,22LR conversion kits. Also several HK 91, 93, SL6, SL7., Probably 50 high powered bolt actions about half of them surplus and half, Remington, Winchesters, Howa, CZ, and two Finnish made which escape me now. My shotguns were mostly side by side doubles and Over Under but also several autos and pumps.
All in all between 200 and 350. Before I got out of grad school I had traded off and sold nearly all of them
I finally began to replace as many as I could but with far less money than I had when I first acquired them.
For instance I replaced my P226 and Glock 17, 17L, 19 Several Cold m1911s, and 3 Colt Delta Elite 10mm, a whole slew of model 29s model 27s, model 25s, and model 57s.
All kind of sweet pure target models in .22LR including 5 High Standard Victors and Supermatic Citations.
Well that gives you the idea.
I had little money but had to go as far as I could with what I had.
Two new FEG made in Hungary in .22lr and .380 plus a spare mag for each. Both guns have been spectacular. Performing on a complete par with the Walther PPs in the same calibers yet I paid less the $150 each for them. I bought two Argentine Browning Hi-Powers. One for $289 and the other for $189. They function as well as the Belgian models in every way but with a military finish.
For a .22 pocket pistol I boutht a Unique model L it had cracked plastic grips which I replaced with panels cut from the sides of an old TV set. The new grips are better in every way. The model L is smaller than even the Walther PPK and is both reliable are surprisingly accurate. Also a S&W model 22A. A light handy but larger hunting pistol for under $230.
I only had two shotguns now a Winchester 1200 Defender with extended mag and pistol grip stock which includes the butt stock. I can grip the pistol grip much better with my arthritic hand. I also have a cheap Stevens single barrel in 20 gauge. It is just a knock around gun and I got it for $50 because it wasn’t working right. It turned out that nothing was wrong with it except the former owner did not know what he was doing and it is perfect now. It ejects smartly when the gun is opened.
I also have a 98 Mauser. I could not afford a nice German made one but got a clean and nicely shooting Yugo Mauser. One of the few guns I never sold was a Swedish Mauser. I have a huge pile of ammo for the Swede. Nearly all of it Lapua match.
Add in a couple of dozen pellet guns, most of them in the 700-1200 fps range with normal pellets and I am set.
I basically have what I need with very little money involved. The one thing I splurged on is around 20 various high quality mags for the two Browning 9mms. Oh I forgot, I also have and old single stack Beretta Brigadier in 9mm and and old Star in .40S&W with two spare mags.
Just remembered a few more but you get the idea.
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