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"Of the 11 homicide victims so far this year, five have been killed by civilians or security guards in shootings Tulsa police have deemed self-defense."
1 posted on 02/21/2015 1:57:02 PM PST by Lacey
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To: Lacey
“It’s been an odd year,” Walker said.

Not surprising. This past year Obama, Holder, and the criminal press have all been extremely busy encouraging people to attack police and commit crimes.

2 posted on 02/21/2015 1:59:50 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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The streets of America are getting cleaned up.


3 posted on 02/21/2015 2:01:47 PM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed)
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He told police he responded by firing at the back glass as the car sped away.

To my mind, difficult to justify such a shooting as self-defense or Stand Your Ground.

4 posted on 02/21/2015 2:18:21 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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Tulsa Whirled: either accept the rulings, or shut up. You have no power over the armed citizen, you impotent nancies.


6 posted on 02/21/2015 2:30:29 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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Think of how many citizens would have been killed by criminals if they had not been armed. More of these criminals need to be shot. It would lower the cost to prosecute them.

When men are addled by anti-gun ideology, there is no perspective in reality.


8 posted on 02/21/2015 2:32:41 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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In 2010, the total cost of Oklahoma’s prisons to incarcerate an average daily population of 24,549 was $453.4 million.

$453,400,000/24,549 = $18,469 per inmate, for 1 year.

For armed robbery, sentence can vary from 5 years to life.

So assuming these 5 decedents were felon criminals who would have been sent to prison for just a single year, the state has been saved some $92,000 plus. If the other six were to go to prison as well, again for just 1 year, the state may have been saved over $200,000.

Had they all been put in prison for 5 years, $1 million. $10 years, $2 million.

And this ignores things like the costs to future victims and imprisonment. The one convict mentioned had been arrested 9 times. This can add up to real money.


11 posted on 02/21/2015 2:50:58 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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Tulsa police have not been involved in a shooting yet this year.

Sounds like law abiding citizens have the situation well in hand.

13 posted on 02/21/2015 2:58:29 PM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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Tell me something bad about Tulsa
How those old oil wells smell in the wind
Tell me something bad about Tulsa
So I won’t have to go back believing I belong there again

Eyes as blue as Tulsa skies
I kept getting lost in when I met her
Hair like Oklahoma sand
I could run my hands through forever

But all good things must end
All rivers have to bend, I keep runnin’ out
But she keeps pullin’ me back in

Tell me something bad about Tulsa
How those old oil wells smell in the wind
Tell me something bad about Tulsa
So I won’t have to go back believing I belong there again

Tell me something bad about Tulsa
So I won’t have to go back believing I belong there again


14 posted on 02/21/2015 3:01:20 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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There’s been a heck of a lot of gunplay in Tulsa ... both bad guys and good guys. Tulsa is getting to be the Wild Wild West.

AND ... the fact of the matter is that the bad guys CAN EXPECT that someone is nearby with a concealed weapon (legally so) ... and in spite of that ... these bad guys are STILL doing shootouts. It doesn’t seem to have deterred them, in the least. It is like it was in the Wild West ... in that everyone is going to “have at it” no matter what.

I’ve noticed that it seems to be getting BAD in the last few years!

This is not a political statement of any kind, but stating that things are GETTING CRAZY around here!

— — —

Last year, there was a Tulsa policeman, well-respected, no problems, a pillar of the community ... and ... when he was off duty he was looking for an adopted daughter who had taken with a boyfriend (after the officer ... i.e., mom and dad, had kicked the daughter out to teach her a lesson). He found the daughter in a public venue, an outdoor musical concert area, and the officer shot up the boyfriend (killed him) and shot at his daughter!

That’s a real puzzler, but is indicative of the increasingly prevailing attitude, it seems, that if one has a problem, one solves it by shooting someone. That is getting to be the prevailing attitude around here!

We’ve REALLY got to stop that attitude that you kill someome to “solve your problem”. We’ve got to instill in people that you don’t pull your gun for “problem resolution” but ONLY in the event of an immediate and direct threat to your life ... and that the SANCTITY OF LIFE is extremely important, no matter WHAT DISPUTE one may have.


19 posted on 02/21/2015 4:29:17 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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Wow! I used to live just East of the river there, and worked just West of the river on Yukon Street.

Low rent apartments, but not a really bad area. That was 43 years ago. Things may have changed since then.


20 posted on 02/21/2015 5:01:27 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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