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Lasers set to zap engines into running more efficiently
new scientist ^ | 20 February 2015 | by Hal Hodson

Posted on 02/20/2015 6:59:17 AM PST by ckilmer

PEW pew! For a week last November an internal combustion engine hummed away in a lab near Chicago. Why the excitement? This particular engine sets fire to fuel with lasers instead of spark plugs, burning fuel more efficiently than normal. Laser-fired engines could lead to cleaner, greener cars.

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: auto; car; energy; laser; sparkplug
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To: Pontiac
because the heat of compression ignites the fuel air mixture not spark plugs

So how would a laser replace a spark plug that does not exist? If igniting the fuel before it reaches that point of compression was more efficient, it would already be done that way. Diesel engines and spark ignition are very mature technologies.

81 posted on 02/20/2015 8:12:53 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: smokingfrog

See post #80


82 posted on 02/20/2015 8:14:46 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol
smaller shipping companies running on propane for their shipping trucks.

In this example, it is possible. But I don't believe incomplete combustion is a problem in propane fueled engines.

Still sounds like an expensive solution in search of a problem.

83 posted on 02/20/2015 8:14:48 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: taxcontrol

Except that most shipping companies use vehicles with diesel engines. And diesel engines do not require a spark-producing ignition system


84 posted on 02/20/2015 8:15:58 AM PST by WayneS (Barack Obama makes Neville Chamberlin look like George Patton.)
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To: NorthMountain
Industrial (artificial) sapphire and spinel are extremely durable materials, and very transmissive through the realm of reasonable LASER wavelengths:

Good info thanks.

But of course that transmissive issue may also be sticky.

Typically combustion chambers end up being coated with combustion residue. How will that reduce laser light transmission?

85 posted on 02/20/2015 8:17:06 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Red Badger
people were working on that idea by heating the gasoline in a sealed container to several hundred degrees and high pressure, and then spraying it into the cylinders.

Interesting that some drag racers cool the fuel to get more power by greater expansion inside the combustion chamber. Street rods often used an ice bath on the fuel line to increase power/speed.

86 posted on 02/20/2015 8:17:15 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Pontiac

Since the heat of compression ignites the fuel air mixture in a diesel, how would a diesel engine benefit from a laser-operated ignition system?


87 posted on 02/20/2015 8:18:38 AM PST by WayneS (Barack Obama makes Neville Chamberlin look like George Patton.)
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To: WayneS

See post #80


88 posted on 02/20/2015 8:19:06 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Red Badger

erformance enthusiasts know that when it comes to engine air and fuel temperatures, colder is better. With that in mind we first introduced the first CO2-based fuel and air cryogenic super coolers for drag racing applications in 2003.

The CryO2™ system uses liquid carbon dioxide (CO2), stored at 80 degrees below zero (Fahrenheit), to super cool intake air, fuel, and even a vehicle’s turbo intercooler, resulting in more power and cooler engine combustion chamber temperatures.

http://www.designengineering.com/content/cryo2-cool-way-get-more-power

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Cool Fuel - Keep your fuel can in the shade, better yet, pack your fuel can in ice. (You can use the empty cooler since you and your friends drank all the beer the night before). As fuel vaporizes in the carburetor it has a cooling effect on the incoming air. Cooler air is denser and has more oxygen, the cooler the fuel is when it vaporizes the cooler the air will be and the more power it will make, plus the engine will run cooler also. In drag racing it is common practice to run the fuel line through a canister full of ice. Also the fastest drag race times are run on cold days because of the denser air.

http://www.lukesracing.com/luksr/tips.html


89 posted on 02/20/2015 8:19:17 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Zathras
By burning hydrogen instead of gasoline you solve many of the problems mentioned:
  1. No carbon fouling.
  2. Faster ignition and burning.
  3. More complete burning.

90 posted on 02/20/2015 8:23:32 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: taxcontrol

I doubt the complexity of adding an entire additional system to diesel engines would be an acceptable trade-off if the only benefit was being able to eliminate the catalytic converters.

A system such as this makes perfect sense for an engine with spark-induced combustion. You already need an ignition system, so replacing spark-plugs, coils, etc. with a different means of ignition does not add an entirely new system to the engine.


91 posted on 02/20/2015 8:28:33 AM PST by WayneS (Barack Obama makes Neville Chamberlin look like George Patton.)
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To: Pontiac

Nuclear would be better - except if the leak or sink.


92 posted on 02/20/2015 8:29:36 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: reg45

If you want efficiency, converting fuels like natural gas into hydrogen (the cheapest and most efficient way to make hydrogn) is not the way.


93 posted on 02/20/2015 8:30:08 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: 11th Commandment
Laser ignition could boost the fuel efficiency of a car from 40 kilometres per litre up to around 50, for example.

This number is interesting. 1 Kilometer per liter is equivalent to 2.35214 MPG. 1 liter is 0.264 gallons and 1 km is roughly 0.6214 miles. So, to go from KM/L to MPG, the calculation is 40km x 0.6214 = 24.856 miles and one liter x 0.264 = 0.264 gallons. So you're going 24.856 miles on 0.264 gallons or 94.15 MPG.

Show me any car currently getting 94 MPG. And to increase that performance by 20%, would basically make a car capable of 113 MPG. Ain't happening. Better MPG, yes, but nothing in the 90 to 113 MPG range.

94 posted on 02/20/2015 8:33:06 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: Zathras
Power needs to be high enough to ignite fuel in ms and optics would malfunction with carbon buildup in cylinders.

Carbon buildup is a result of unburned fuel. Burn more efficiently, have less carbon buildup.

95 posted on 02/20/2015 8:38:34 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Maybe somebody could invent a device that would mix the gasoline with air before it reached the cylinder.

It's not a matter of mixing the gas, it's mixing the vapor instead of the atomized gas.

96 posted on 02/20/2015 8:38:49 AM PST by IronJack
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To: reed13k

I had an RX8. The rotary in it was nice. Powerful, small, but sucked for mileage and prone to leakage around the seals. The Wankel (that’s what it is at heart) needs improvement.


97 posted on 02/20/2015 8:40:00 AM PST by IronJack
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To: daniel1212

98 posted on 02/20/2015 8:40:04 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: miliantnutcase

That sounds like an engineering challenge — provide more effective cooling at the cylinder head.


99 posted on 02/20/2015 8:41:23 AM PST by IronJack
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To: thackney
The power of the internal combustion engine lies in the expansion inside the chamber. Injecting in the liquid phase adds to the expansion in the ignition.

Liquids don't compress. Gases do. If the vapor could be introduced into the cylinder, the compression stroke would compress much more vapor than atomized gasoline, which would result in a much more powerful ignition.

A lot of the energy of the combustion cycle is taken up by forcing gasoline to undergo a state shift from liquid to vapor and then explode. Eliminate that phase shift and you're bound to liberate more usable energy.

100 posted on 02/20/2015 8:45:11 AM PST by IronJack
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