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The GOP's Electoral Cliff
Newsmax ^ | 2/18 | Dick Morris

Posted on 02/18/2015 12:43:12 PM PST by TangledUpInBlue

The 3.8 percent point margin by which President Obama defeated Mitt Romney in 2012 clouds the challenge the Republicans face in 2016. Unless they are able to improve their standing by 5 to 6 points in the key electoral states, they cannot win.

Romney got 206 electoral votes (carrying his closest state, North Carolina, by only 2.2 points). To add to this total, much less to bring it up to the 271 needed to win, Republicans must carry a number of states where they lost by five or more points in 2012.

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KEYWORDS: 2016; 2016elections; elections; electoralcollege; gop
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We debate a lot of things here but this boils it down fairly well. It's the math stupid...

Hopefully we can flip a few because if not, the math is slanted in the Dems favor for some time to come.

1 posted on 02/18/2015 12:43:12 PM PST by TangledUpInBlue
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To: TangledUpInBlue

That’s not good news!


2 posted on 02/18/2015 12:44:26 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

The problem with this line of thinking is that it fails to take the candidates into account. It assumes people will vote the same way regardless of who is on the ballot. This is simply not the case for ~40% of the voting country.


3 posted on 02/18/2015 12:44:49 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (Changing the name of a thing doesn't change the thing. A liberal or a rose by any other name...)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

The 3.8 percent point margin by which President Obama defeated Mitt Romney included about 2% vote fraud.


4 posted on 02/18/2015 12:45:54 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
How about the GOP-E back a guy or gal who adheres to stated GOP values in the platform, is not an amnesty pimp, and who actually wants the job and will fight harder against Democrats in the general instead of Republicans in the primaries?

Nah, can't have that.

5 posted on 02/18/2015 12:46:16 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: TangledUpInBlue

It will only get worse as the GOP allows themselves to be trod upon by the Dims, the media, and the Chamber of Commerce.


6 posted on 02/18/2015 12:47:05 PM PST by Ingtar (Is this the Ebola and rumors of Ebola mentioned in the Bible?)
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To: BenLurkin

Don’t forget the 4 million conservatives who stayed home.


7 posted on 02/18/2015 12:47:17 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: TangledUpInBlue
Hopefully we can flip a few because if not, the math is slanted in the Dems favor for some time to come.

You misspelled "Forever".

8 posted on 02/18/2015 12:47:30 PM PST by Lazamataz (With friends like Boehner, we don't need Democrats. -- Laz A. Mataz, 2015)
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To: Personal Responsibility

“The problem with this line of thinking is that it fails to take the candidates into account.”

Yes. Had a better candidate run, the Republicans probably would have won FL, OH, VA, and CO in 2012. I think that would have put anyone but Romney over the top :-). All 4 of those states were within 2% of Der Fuerher if I am not mistaken.


9 posted on 02/18/2015 12:51:03 PM PST by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: WashingtonSource

But the problem with that thinking is they were likely in states that Romney won. So getting them to the polls likely does no good. Unless you have some idea that they were from states that were closely contested.


10 posted on 02/18/2015 12:51:36 PM PST by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
Romney won every state where electronic voting was not allowed.

Eliminate electronic voting, and Democrats cannot win a nationwide election. Without massive voter fraud, Democrats would be a less than 1/3 minority in the US Senate, permanently.

11 posted on 02/18/2015 12:51:41 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: Personal Responsibility

I know what you’re trying to get at, but the problem is, I’m not sure those 40% (or at least the majority of them) are in states that matter.


12 posted on 02/18/2015 12:52:54 PM PST by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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Okay, seriously, if the left believes that they are going to get black males between the ages of 18 - 45 to turn out to vote for an old white woman...they are just nuts.

So...doesn’t matter, Warren or Clinton...the black male vote just isn’t going to be there — There is no planet in the universe where you will be able to get young black males excited to vote for Warren or Clinton, yeah, to them obamadork was “historic” and they rallied to the cause but the AA vote will be waaaaayyyyyy down because an old white woman isn’t historic to them.

Ask them?!?


13 posted on 02/18/2015 12:53:01 PM PST by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: TangledUpInBlue

It wasn’t until a couple of years ago that it dawned on me why voter turnout is so important. Those that really have a strong opinion are not going to flip parties. The most you can do is get them to not vote at all. Who here would have voted for Obama if Satan himself had run for the R’s?

I rest my case...


14 posted on 02/18/2015 12:53:52 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
Unless they are able to improve their standing by 5 to 6 points in the key electoral states, they cannot win

A few suggestions:

1. Nominate a decent candidate, NOT a RINO and NO MORE BUSHES!

2. Quit attacking the Tea Party Conservatives. They are the only reason the GOP took congress in 2014.

3. Election Fraud is a MAJOR problem, particularly in swing states.

4. Screen the moderators for the debates! No more Candy "Fat Ass" Crowleys!

15 posted on 02/18/2015 12:54:02 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Some say I hate 0bama; "HATE" is a strong word, but in this case NOT STRONG ENOUGH!!)
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To: edh

You also have to remember that was a huge black voter turnout that did not show up in 2010 or 2014, The Dems aren’t going to get the same numbers they got without Obama to tap into the black vote.


16 posted on 02/18/2015 12:54:17 PM PST by shoedog
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To: TangledUpInBlue

It’s mostly gibberish but the bottom line is that flipping the four states that Obama won by less than 5% (according to Morris) would make the Republican a winner (other states remaining the same).


17 posted on 02/18/2015 12:54:22 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: areukiddingme1

This is a good point. And might be a factor in 2016.


18 posted on 02/18/2015 12:54:51 PM PST by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: WashingtonSource

“Don’t forget the 4 million conservatives who stayed home.”

I won’t. Increase that number by at least 50% if the GOP runs Jeb. He will get royally smoked, IMO.


19 posted on 02/18/2015 12:55:13 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

We lost because the GOP-e nominated a Leftist RINO in 2012. That is all.

And I don’t expect that they’ve learned from their mistakes.


20 posted on 02/18/2015 12:55:39 PM PST by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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