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To: GeronL
Europe would have no hope of defending themselves, if they even wanted to

Russia is no match for NATO.

19 posted on 02/15/2015 6:47:33 PM PST by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: ansel12; KC_Lion; Darksheare; al baby
Europe doesn't have much will to stand up against Muslims or Russians. It sounds like the UK is thinking of dumping submarines for F-35's...

and Germany.... Germany has decided to buy these:

The Russians must be shaking in their jackboots. With laughter.

23 posted on 02/15/2015 6:51:56 PM PST by GeronL
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To: ansel12
Russia is no match for NATO.

The bad news is that NATO would most likely disband over war with Russia. The good news is that the US and the UK would honor the commitment they made. FWIW, I believe France would as well.

27 posted on 02/15/2015 6:55:19 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: ansel12

“Russia is no match for NATO.”

Actually, they are. Without a major U.S. Army presence...NATO is weak. Without a future U.S. Army/military presence....NATO will become seriously outgunned by a resurgent “USSR.” Russia has been rebuilding their military for years, and making real progress.


28 posted on 02/15/2015 6:55:25 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: ansel12; GeronL

Correct. Italy alone could put Putin’s Black Sea Fleet on the bottom, in fairly short order. Now, if Russia continues to build, and parts of NATO (like Italy) go to sleep, the situation is a bit more problematic.

This is part of why I suspect the West is using Ukraine as cannon fodder in a long drawn out conflict. That gives the West reason to maintain sanctions, and at the same time bleed Russia’s military and willpower. This also creates huge problems for Russia in terms of equipment, as Russia’s and Ukraine’s defense industries were still highly integrated, or entangled, if you like, until Putin made his move on Eastern Ukraine. Even if Putin eventually acquires those Ukrainian defense industries, they may be largely destroyed... This may be why he (Putin) compromised as much as he did in the latest cease fire agreement. A slow destruction of Ukraine doesn’t do him any favors.

Granted, that last is just my assessment...


33 posted on 02/15/2015 7:05:18 PM PST by Paul R.
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To: ansel12

Right now NATO his headed by Sultan Obama. What’s he gonna do?


121 posted on 02/15/2015 9:03:35 PM PST by arthurus (it's true!)
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