I'll have more leeway after the election.
Death to America!
Posted on 02/15/2015 6:22:35 PM PST by presidio9
The best thing for Ukraine is to force NATO, the US, and regional players out of the country, former US congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul said. Without foreign meddling in the civil war, Kiev will focus on the nation’s economic collapse.
“Get the foreigners out of there [Ukraine], get the Europeans out, the US out, get NATO out, and get the Russians out,” Paul said at the International Students for Liberty Conference in Washington on Friday. “There will be less of a civil war going on there because they will have to worry about their debt. This is an economic matter too. You have to realize that the country is totally bankrupt.”
We must ask ourselves, why did Ukraine have the highest GDP of the USSR and since the collapse of the USSR has gone completely bankrupt? I’m not a big fan of Dr. Paul, but, he is on to something here. THis does seem to be a CIA fueled war to contain Russia—a global war for natural gas and oil rights. I’m not so sure we are getting the full story on this conflict.
And after re-reading it you even contradicted yourself in the same paragraph.
A lot of the same reasons I think we should stay out.
No, and everything that you have posted proves that.
Now you already agree that I say that they are currently too weak to take on NATO effectively, in a actual war, which is clear.
Now show me the words where I also said that they currently ARE strong enough to take us on, and in a long term fight.
Can you do that for us?
Wrong again my friend. Russia is a friend (most people in the EU know it, but in the USA they don't)
And Russia in the future, if we could play our cards right, will be a great deciding asset against the Islamists.
I meant "our" enemy, I was speaking as an American, you Putin people have even dropped pretending that you are still with us.
As far as the NATO countries, they sure are not acting like Russia is a friend, instead they are taking actions to protect themselves from a threat, even non-NATO countries are taking defensive military actions to protect themselves.
Yeah, this part: “ You are basackwards when you say that they have neither the will or the means to take us on long term, that is EXACTLY the opposite of the reality....”
You even capitalized some of it.
Do you even have integrity enough to admit that in the other thread you were touting their strength in order to enforce your position on why we should help Ukraine? You go into troop strength and how formidable they are and how dangerous it would be to have them any closer to NATO boarders. Even though during the height of the cold war they were much stronger and even closer. Albeit, not as strong as we thought or at least they hoped we thought.
Then in this thread you say they are not much of a threat.
We just need to stay out of it unless they’d like to purchase some of our arms.
Not sure I’m ready to call Russia a friend yet but at least they know what to do with muslim extremist.
Cute, now here is what was actually said that you cut off and replaced with dots....the part about the "means", not currently being there.
"as we are right this minute discussing their current military operations as part of the process of displaying that will, that goal, and to reestablish those means."
To: DirtyPigpen
That’s right Russia was a greater threat, a threat that was defeated, and broken, and now you are supporting them rebuilding by reconquering.
You are basackwards when you say that they have neither the will or the means to take us on long term, that is EXACTLY the opposite of the reality, as we are right this minute discussing their current military operations as part of the process of displaying that will, that goal, and to reestablish those means.
64 posted on 2/15/2015, 11:38:52 AM by ansel12
Yeah, I mentioned your own contradiction earlier. Either they have the means now or are reestablishing those means.
No integrity, eh?
The fact remains, you are the conniving liar.
Any objective person reading each thread would draw the same conclusion.
Obama and Putin have the same goals from what I can see
If they already have their old military power of the 1980s, then they wouldn’t need your support to start trying to reestablish it by conquering Ukraine, as they start on rebuilding empire.
Get it, let’s prevent them from “reestablishing” those means.
It is never clear if you troll types are truly just trolling for entertainment and to derail discussions on forums, or if you are just truly stupid people, that aren’t playing with a full deck.
Then why is Obama too strong for these pro-Russia guys?
Obama is clearly annoying Putin enough to set off these Putin posters.
They are playing bad cop, lazy cop
So the other 27 NATO nations are all just playing along in these conspiracies.
Besides, you didn’t answer about these Putin freepers?
Why is Obama too strong for them? Obama is clearly annoying Putin enough to set off the Putin posters here.
commies and tyrants need a foreign boogie man, they’re just racists, lol.
They might not be on the exact same team but they have the same goals but with themselves as demigods. They will play off each other nicely because they both know the other so well.
I don’t have a conspiracy. Russia wants to dominate and Obama wants a wimpified America.
Europe is going to be raped if they keep bending over and lifting their skirt.
I'll have more leeway after the election.
Death to America!
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