Posted on 02/14/2015 1:07:03 PM PST by Enlightened1
The government on Friday approved the commercial planting of genetically engineered apples that are resistant to turning brown when sliced or bruised.
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“My bet is someone got threatened, paid off or both.”
Right... the entire scientific establishment has either been threatened or paid off to suppress this. That’s not paranoid at all.
“If you are interested in truth, then why don’t you ask what is in the GMO? Answer: Glyphosate”
Are you serious? Do you not understand that GMO means “genetically modified”? The only difference is in the genes, which make the organism more resistance to the pesticide glyphosate. The organism itself is not modified with glyphosate.
“So enjoy the taste....”
I suppose you think that non-GMO foods are normally pesticide free too?
Still pushing that bullcrap even after being publicly refuted, eh?
He’s spouting junk from one study that was retracted by the only journal that would publish it after everyone else pointed out its flaws.
the breeding introduces a little lemon juice to prevent the browning
“What part of the equation, “you are feeding them poison” does not compute?”
You probably have no clue about how much “poison” you ingest every day, even avoiding all your spooky GMOs. Most compounds have what is called a “toxicity level”, because they are harmful in certain quantities. Yes, that includes Roundup, but the toxicity level for that chemical is quite low for humans, and it does not accumulate in our bodies, so you cannot build up a higher concentration of toxins over time with repeated ingestion.
Unless you are intentionally guzzling Roundup from a drum to kill yourself, it is not going to poison you.
Just like in any group, you have the smaller segment that has internalized the principles of the group, and the larger group that is just following along with the crowd. When those people try to think for themselves, there is no telling what the results will be, because they don’t have any principles of their own to guide them.
Most {but by no means all} food produced simply needs to make it intact from farm, orchards, etc, to the processor. That system worked well for decades. Two major companies in my area built fortunes on it. Bush Brother and Stokley canneries. Stokley was actually a family in East Tennessee which operated a major cannery before being sold.
Some canneries still do it fairly well such as Allens in Arkansas. Best buy for the buck IMO quality wise in commercial canned food.
But on a raw produce level hitting the stores today the produce overall is far lower grade quality in taste and I'm certainly not the only poster who has said as much on this thread now am I?
If I had land suitable I'd buy some Heirloom seeds and grow my own food. But I have my own food source from wildlife if needed.
Man has reached a point where some healthy caution is needed when screwing around with our food chain. Hybrids for example have screwed up things in ways we may not recover what was lost. Hybrid fish for example have done lots of damage that and reckless importing of both plant and fish. Carp, Gar, etc are not native fish. And some hybrids have wreaked havoc on lake eco systems. Also as I pointed out the importing of the Chinese Chestnut which most likely was for mass production and genetics purposes killed out the largest trees in eastern USA. Trees so large one tree could supply lumber for an entire large house to be built and likely a barn as well. The economical damage cost well beyond any short term gains that experiment produced.
Who do you think is the best creator? Man or GOD? Who knows the sciences of our food chain best? Man or GOD? What is going on today in the name of agriculture is merely seeing which corporations control the nations food supply. He who controls the seeds and how they mutate controls the food supply. The best win/win in their eyes is plants that produce seeds with do not reproduce. Now there is a disaster waiting to happen.
The Heirloom seed industry may well be what determines long term survival and saving our national food supply in the end if catastrophe hits. I'm not a tree hugging eco nut. But I oppose some of what is going on in labs dealing with plants we eat the same way I oppose cloning of any animal. Would I want to eat a cloned animal or one stuffed full of growth hormones? No! Will some people bypass ethics and caution for a buck? You betcha they will.
In my area one man used to have embalming fluid put in meat specifically poultry. How do I know? Well two ways. For one the stench would make a person sick when it was cooking. The other is my Mom fifty years ago went too that store chain to hunt boxes to help someone move. In the back of the store beside the meat department she found a box with a local mortuary name on the shipping label and the word Formaldehyde on the box. But hey he was justified because by golly his chickens stayed fresh a lot longer. No spoiled chickens from his store No Sir Indeed. LOL. The old coot who did it is long dead and his stores closed decades ago.
Why would a plant we are going to ingest or the seed thereof need to be Roundup resistant to start with?
So they can spray the weeds and not harm the plant. Here in West Texas we have allot of cotton farming and the weeds can over grow it pretty quick. To spray each weed individually would be almost impossible so they plant a Roundup resistant cotton so you can just spray the whole field and kill all the weeds and not harm the cotton. The overhead sprayers are several rows wide. It’s not used on tree’s unless you have a weed problem around the base and even then most orchards just mow them down.
Thanks. Around a non food producing plant I could see it's usefulness. Around a food source or plant producing a food source though? No, it should be used as weed control for plants or food to be eaten by man.
Apples have been genetically modified since forever. Where do you think all the varieties of apples in existence came from? Have they just been there since the beginning of time? How would you create the thousands of types of apples without genetic modification? Your willful ignorance of basic science is mind-boggling.
Stop drinking glyphosate, it's making you stupid.
The stuff you are posting is cancerous and reading your posts is destructive to ones intellect.
What impact could it have long term on non altered plants resistance to diseases etc? What long term impact could this technology have in other plants natural reproduction process? Could it make their natural seed sterile? Legitimate concerns IMO. Is the intent to actually make it to where corporation owns the full rights to certain plants and thus the seeds as well? If cross pollination from their plants to others occurs who legally owns them.
IIRC lawsuits have been filed by major seed corps over that very issue with corp holding patents trying to claim ownership of the cross pollinated plants as well. IOW that little back yard garden may not be all yours if you live close to a larger farm who uses GMO seeds. This is quickly becoming a battle over who owns our food chain? Is it as GOD created for us or now a corporate owned commodity?
Do you wish to have our food chain at the mercy of corporate benevolence? You might want to read this as well why-does-monsanto-sue-farmers-who-save-seeds What farmer in his right mind doesn't save seeds? Is it all about future control of the food chain? Since when in the history of man has any one company held the rights to forbid someone to plant seeds which someone has purchased? What is too stop corps like this from forcing Heirloom seed companies out of business? These questions deserve answers before this technology is used any further and the nation as a whole should be educated to the advantages as well as it's pitfalls.
“...why don’t you ask what is in the GMO? Answer: Glyphosate What is Glyphosate it’s another word of Round Up. You know, the round up you put in your lawn to kill weeds and grass. So enjoy the taste.... “
I think you are confused about what genetic modification is.
Glyphosate resistance in some grains and beans is only one type of genetic modification. Others have nothing to do with glyphosate, such as the introduction of vitamin A into rice, and I suspect, the change in the apples.
Apples turn brown because of an enzyme that attacks the phenols and causes them to react with other chemicals in the apple. Putting a mild acid, like lemon juice, on cut apples reduces the effect of the enzyme. I suspect that the genetic modification here is to either decrease the effectiveness of the enzyme, or decrease the amount of phenols present(which might be a good thing, by the way).
Monsanto doesn't sue farmers unless they violate the terms of their contracts. Don't violate those agreements, and Monsanto will not sue you. What is it about intellectual property rights that you don't understand? Companies that have genetically modified plants and seeds to produce more food have saved billions of people, mainly children, from malnutrition, disease, starvation and death.
Even so, scientific illiterates continue to hurl their ignorant invective at these companies totally clueless as to how all that food finds its way to the supermarket shelves. Your post is a sad testament to the fat and happy ignorance of the modern day Luddite.
Great image and implied joke.... Do these apples (are they still called apples) require the nutrients acquired by the canine like mouth to sustain their life? Do they required diapers to stop waste from landing and collecting on the ground. What impact does this have on the lives of birds that “used to” like to eat apples. Need human eaters of these apples have to remove the mouth part of the fruit prior to eating it? Will these apples be available for Halloween in 2015 or 2016? Many other questions come to mind. By the way.... how does it taste?
No I'm not wrong I said it by-passes the natural process. Nature or GOD had the yea or Nay say in it not a corp lab.
BTW lets be thankful doctors aren't functioning under the intellectual property rights as far as procedures go. People would still be paying royalties to have their Tonsils removed.
Who created the food we eat meaning the fruit and vegetables? You don't get it. If this is an intellectual property battle then the Corps owe GOD big time then right? It's His intellectual property they are modifying to start with. An apple is an apple the fact Dr whoever alters portions of the genetics it is still an apple in the same way if some Homosexual man castrates himself, has artifical sex organs put in, and grows breast to be a woman, he is still biologically a man although his actions will produce adverse affects upon what he is.
A line has to be drawn somewhere as to what constitutes intellectual property rights and what doesn't. Thanks to Henry Ford you Mase can build your own car to drive and sell. Before Ford sued no one could unless they had permission that included any type of car. But the nations food chain is a lot more critical to everyone's survival than a car. It is opening up the door for an enslavement. We do not know the full long term impact and with this same technology every plant otherwise can be rendered sterile or altered.
Should you be able to name your apples Mase Apples? Sure and with a patent on the name. Should you own an apple patent? No because you did not create apples. Apples were created from GOD and given to man. If I breed a Labrador Retriever with a Boxer and call it a Loxer should I then own all of the same? This nonsense isn't legally excepted in animal breeding nor should it be accepted in fruit or vegetables development either. If you breed animals it doesn't give you exclusive right to the breed even if you altered the genetics to be a three legged dog.
I'll give you more to think long and hard on. Some disasters where man tried to alter or bring something in where it did not naturally exist before or belong to think about. Carp, Chinese Chestnuts, Kudzu {the wretched foliage destroying plant}, and in lakes near where I live some recent as in the past several decades Lab created Hybrid Fish that eat and consume a large portion of what was once the natural streams food chain.
Asking serious questions about somethings impact on mankind isn't being a Luddite it's just common sense questions. Had serious questions & studies been asked and answered first back in the early 1900's we wouldn't have many annoyances imported into nature here in the US we now have today now would we?
An agriculture boo boo cost the eastern United States it largest natural resource. Trees were imported from Asia that carried a blight our trees here were not resistant too. That brings up valid concerns with GMO as well. The cause and affect on other plant life within and outside of the species. This is one place we can't afford scientific boo boos. It's not like a Iphone or car. It's our source of nutritional existence being discussed. Thus is deserves close scrutiny by all. I err on the side of caution on this issue. You seem to err on the side of the Corp.
Oh okay genius... (sarcasm off)
YOU are the one that is very confused.
They are splicing the RNA and DNA of seeds playing God. That’s what GMO stands for Genetically Modified Organism.
Glyphosate is put in the genetically spliced seeds, that can only be used once by the way (unlike a nature seed), in order to keep the bugs off.
Do you know what Glyphosate does to bugs? It blows holes in their gut. Therefore, it does the same to in our colon track where our good or bad health originates.
Yes VanShuyten 1 + 1 really equals 2.
What’s you were talking about is in addition..... And that’s where you are confused. BTW, what what they told you about a “mild acid” is 100% rubbish.
Nevertheless, if you eat $hit, then be my guest. You are what you eat. But do not try to sell me your filthy lie!
Oh and now if you ever end up getting sick, tumors or cancer.... Don’t ever say “I didn’t know?”. You know now.
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