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Is This the End of NATO?
Interpretermag ^ | February 8, 2015 | John R. Schindler

Posted on 02/08/2015 7:54:09 PM PST by Krosan

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John R. Schindler is a strategist, author, and commentator whose security-focused career has included a couple decades as both a scholar and practitioner. Previously a professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College, where he taught courses on security, strategy, intelligence, terrorism, and military history, before joining the NWC faculty, he spent nearly a decade with the super-secret National Security Agency as an intelligence analyst and counterintelligence officer. There’s not much he can say about that, except that he worked problems in Eastern Europe and the Middle East with a counterespionage flavor, and he collaborated closely with other government agencies who would probably prefer he didn’t mention them. He’s also served as an officer specializing in cryptology (now called information warfare for no particular reason) in the U.S. Navy Reserve. Read his full bio here: http://20committee.com/about/

1 posted on 02/08/2015 7:54:10 PM PST by Krosan
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To: Krosan

End of NATO??
NO...

But a realignment of NATO is entirely possible.


2 posted on 02/08/2015 7:57:42 PM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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To: Krosan

NATO? That’s so “Cold War”. Uhhh, wait.


3 posted on 02/08/2015 7:57:52 PM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: Krosan; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty ping.


4 posted on 02/08/2015 7:58:56 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: tcrlaf

Considering the fact that NATO allies like Edrogan sounding like Ahmadinejad, its becoming more and more like the UN all the time.


5 posted on 02/08/2015 7:59:50 PM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: ryan71

Well, Putin has 2 long years to do whatever he wants before the next US election. Then, who knows?

Putin knows he has a free hand as long as we’re stuck with BO.


6 posted on 02/08/2015 8:02:14 PM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: Krosan
NATO is too US-centric.

Both Putin and Obama want it to end.

7 posted on 02/08/2015 8:08:02 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Krosan

Army: noun - a group of armed men who retify the mistakes of diplomats.


8 posted on 02/08/2015 8:09:32 PM PST by Tzimisce
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Which of these two moral cowards, Merkel or Hollande. will do the 2015 sellout of the Ukraine to Putin as Chamberlain did to Hitler with the Czechs in 1938? The lights are going out all over Europe and the U.S. will not be riding to the rescue.
9 posted on 02/08/2015 8:19:33 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Krosan
Facts. NATO always was basically, The US, sometimes Britain, and all the rest. Little has changed since "The End of the Cold War" except the reduction of US forces in Europe. Europe always had precious little force in arms to be reduced.

The Balkan front in the 1990's exposed NATO once and for all as a paper alliance, unwilling to take action on its own doorstep. It took Willie Clinton, of all people, to finally put some iron on some targets. Even then he arguably hit the wrong side.

The current attempts to avoid dealing with Russia simply underscore the fact that the "moral collapse" of Europe has been severe. Whether they are beyond resuscitation remains to be seen. As for NATO, it is already an expired fiction.

10 posted on 02/08/2015 8:21:00 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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OK, so if NATO is toast, can we blame Obama since he caved to Putin over and over again?


11 posted on 02/08/2015 8:24:16 PM PST by garjog (Obama: bringing joy to the hearts of Terrorists everywhere.)
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To: MasterGunner01

Sadly the 68 generation have been in power in Europe, but they can’t stay there forever. Former Soviet occupied countries are also gaining political power. The new President of the European Council is Donald Tusk from Poland for example and Poles do not have illusions about Russia.


13 posted on 02/08/2015 9:06:57 PM PST by Krosan
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The first is that Western and Central Europe have so substantially disarmed since the end of the Cold War. Hardly any European NATO countries spend the “required” two percent of GDP on defense, and no amount of American scolding about it seems to make any difference

NATO is simply security theater. Expanding it to include 28 nations, with such pro-western stalwarts as Albania and Turkey, made it a bureaucratic paper tiger. It gave the socialists of the West a fake security blanket, to continue running their welfare states into the ground - which actually makes it more dangerous, because its bound to be proven to be sham soon. And then what? After the Cold War, NATO should have been disbanded, with the USA rather establishing alliances with the UK and Germany.

14 posted on 02/08/2015 9:07:00 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Krosan

NA TO effectively ended when Turkey denied the flyover in the 90-91 war against Iraq. A lot of people were just too damned shocked at the time to believe what was happening before their eyes.

The stupid ones remain in denial to this day.


15 posted on 02/08/2015 9:15:44 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Krosan

Let Europe defend itself ... or ... let it be overrun!


16 posted on 02/08/2015 9:25:02 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Krosan; All

There’s been a virtual blackout of news coverage on this significant conference with the exception of the postings here in FR.

The conclusion Schindler comes up with may be escapeable but it is a harbinger of problems within NATO over the very concept the organization was organized to confront; Russian expansion.

In Ukraine’s case you had it’s spokesman presenting irrefuteable evidence of Russian involvement beside the invasion and seizure of the Crimea receiving a toilet paper condemnation from the major powers in Europe .But a refusal to offer the necessary military equipment to defend their territory from furthur aquisition not only by the US but Germany and France. It’s taken a change in political partys in the US to change that. Will the same happen in Europe ?


17 posted on 02/08/2015 10:05:30 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Some of my best rebuttals are in FR's along with meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Krosan

NATO is seen correctly in Russia as anti-Russian alliance.

Hence the Kremlin’s devotion of vast resources to rebuilding Russia’s armed forces.

NATO is a relict of the Cold War and has continued the Cold War policy to “contain” Russia.

Which of course Moscow seeks to thwart.


18 posted on 02/09/2015 12:41:04 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Why is NATO a relict then? During the Cold War it was containing Russia and preventing it from conquering additional countries and it is doing so now.

I can see how Russian imperialists do not like it as they are certainly keen on growing their Evil Empire, but why are you so sympathetic with their wish to subjugate more countries?


19 posted on 02/09/2015 1:10:13 AM PST by Krosan
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If the Russians formed an alliance and pushed for military bases around our borders, would we not feel threatened?

Russia has been invaded twice by the West in the past two centuries. Russia did not preemptively attack the French Empire or German Reich even though it had every right to do so.

If NATO had been dissolved when the Cold War ended, perhaps Ukraine would not be a point of conflict today.

The West insists on ignoring Russian interests and as long as it does so - there won’t be any real movement towards building a common European home.


20 posted on 02/09/2015 1:37:34 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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