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St Pete man builds gun range in yard, neighbors outraged
WFLA.com ^ | 02/01/2015 | Melanie Michael

Posted on 02/02/2015 10:57:51 AM PST by GIdget2004

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To: ClearCase_guy

“Your freedom to swing your fist ends at my nose.”

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You don’t actually have to hit my nose. Just swing at it pal. Make a move. My nose or any of my neighbors

Chances are you will get the beatdown you deserve.

In case you miss the obvious reference here; this applies to shooting near our children too.


41 posted on 02/02/2015 11:36:35 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (See Ya On The Road; Al Baby's Mom!)
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To: WayneS

The lot is 75’ wide. I just checked property records.


42 posted on 02/02/2015 11:40:01 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Steamburg

There were aerial views in the video.


43 posted on 02/02/2015 11:41:26 AM PST by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
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44 posted on 02/02/2015 11:43:06 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (See Ya On The Road; Al Baby's Mom!)
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To: Flick Lives

I’ve often thought about building a pistol range in my basement by installing 100 linear feet (or 50’ depending upon budget) of underground 36” or 48” box culvert, starting from a basement wall (w/bottom of the culvert about counter-top height above the floor), and extending out in to me yard.

A manhole access in the final box-section would allow for maintenance, and for retrieval of lead.


45 posted on 02/02/2015 11:44:54 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: SkyDancer

and loudly play “Ride of the Valkyries” on your outdoor speakers!


46 posted on 02/02/2015 11:46:44 AM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: driftdiver

That means that if it is around 1/4 acre in size, then it is a maximum of 160’ long.

Depending upon the orientation and construction of the shooting range, that’s still kind of tight - and it appears his quality of construction id defintitely lacking.


47 posted on 02/02/2015 11:47:31 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: GIdget2004

A local country club has a skeet range. This is a pretty high density area — 1/4 to 1/2 acre lots is about the average. They get away with it because they only use it on Sunday afternoon. All my life, I’ve been able to tell when it was Sunday afternoon by the pop, pop, pop.


48 posted on 02/02/2015 11:50:01 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: ClearCase_guy

No man can use his property to endanger or damage his neighbor. That has been the law for centuries.


49 posted on 02/02/2015 11:51:13 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: WayneS

I once lived in a small subdivision outside Vicksburg, MS. The loess soil in that area has to cut vertically instead of being sloped as other soils.

One morning the neighbor fired a revolver into the bank behind his house. Our lots were much less than a quarter acre. After the sheriff confirmed it was legal, I did the same using the high bank that extended behind both of the houses for a backstop.

That area had lots of signs warning people not to fire guns from the highway. It wasn’t unusual to drive by a place and see people standing not far off the road using the cuts as backstops for target practice.


50 posted on 02/02/2015 11:52:20 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: Calamari

Ya and fire off rounds in beat with the music ....


51 posted on 02/02/2015 11:53:53 AM PST by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
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To: ClearCase_guy
But is he endangering other peoples lives?

Based on the construction methods he used for his backstop, I'm leaning towards "yes, he would be endangering others if he utilizes his 'gun range'"

Of course, I have not seen the property in person, but the lots are pretty small so it's a virtual certainty that someone's yard or house is less than 100' behind his poorly constructed backstop.

52 posted on 02/02/2015 11:54:12 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: GIdget2004

Poor choice of backstop, I wouldn’t consider it a safe range with buildings that close. I think my first phone call would be to figure out who is insuring the property and notify them that someone is using the back yard as a shooting range. Pretty sure that no insurance company wants to have this covered under normal insurance, and would likely demand a proper rider for this activity be written and paid for.

I don’t have a problem with people setting up a range. But almost every time I’ve seen it done, it has been in a rural setting on a large property. This is just mickey moused and not very safe. I have had shots go wide and high. Unlikely with safe gun handling, but unlikely, to me, is still too high of a risk in a housing development.


53 posted on 02/02/2015 11:55:04 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: WayneS
So, I've posted a number of comments to this thread supporting the guy's basic right to build a gun range. I would like to caveat that, and I will admit that sub-standard construction and poor implementation of something like a gun range is not acceptable. Maybe he is a fool.

But my point has always been about Principle. On a daily basis, I see people who ostensibly believe in limited government, yet they constantly point and say "I don't like that -- there ought to be a law!"

Some laws have value. I am not an anarchist. I am not a Libertarian. But I like limited government. And, as a general statement of Principle, I don't want my neighbors to control how I live. And when I say "neighbor", I don't me the guy whose house I can see through the trees. I basically mean You. Or Harry Reid.

But, yes, a patently unsafe gun range would seem to be a bad choice in a tightly packed community.

55 posted on 02/02/2015 11:55:23 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Malort, turning taste-buds into taste-foes for generations.)
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To: meatloaf

It sounds like who had a safe backstop.

If you have a chance, take a look at the photos/videos of what this fellow has built.


56 posted on 02/02/2015 11:56:01 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Yehuda

Probably a powered vent near or at the manhole access.


57 posted on 02/02/2015 11:57:56 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: WayneS; meatloaf

SORRY!

“It sounds like YOU had a safe backstop...”


58 posted on 02/02/2015 11:58:33 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: GIdget2004

After the first shot fired one or all of the neighbors will file a nuisance suit on the basis of sound. And it will be successful.


59 posted on 02/02/2015 11:59:36 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: ClearCase_guy

I agree 100%.

None of my posts have advocated having the government solve this issue.

I believe in personal freedom coupled with personal responsibility -— with a little common courtesy thrown in whenever possible.


60 posted on 02/02/2015 12:01:23 PM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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