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Why Not a Third Party, Independent Candidate?
Conservatives4Palin ^ | January 31, 2016 | Steve Flesher

Posted on 02/01/2015 11:47:41 AM PST by Bratch

Bristol Palin proved to be as savvy and perceptive as her mom recently by saying:

Maybe the GOP “talking heads” are railing against her [Governor Palin] because she called them out?

Additionally, in January of 2013, Chuck Heath, Jr., Governor Palin’s brother made a very interesting point about a third party that has always stayed with me:

To me, it’s just common sense: a new party working for the best interests of American citizens. A party that looks beyond party lines because there are no party lines, including patriots from every walk of life willing to work for the good of all of us. A party of substance, compassion, rock hard toughness, and responsibility.

I know what some are going to say: Forget it!  It’ll never happen! 

For a moment, allow me to exclaim "at this point, what difference does it make?" appropriately.

Anybody who runs on a third party, independent ticket is going to feel the brunt of an angry GOP.  Additionally, if it’s a conservative, they’re going to get it from the left as well.

But who cares?  Like many of you, I felt that shimmer of hope last week when Governor Palin answered a reporter’s question about a potential run for the White House in 2016.  That’s why, also like many of you, I wasn’t surprised at how the GOP’s "talking heads" spent the entire week trashing her after she gave a speech where she not only called them out, but reminded them that an Independent beat a sitting Republican in her state of Alaska, referencing of course Bill Walker’s win over incumbent, Sean Parnell.

Within a state, this has happened before.  But on a national level, recent history shows it hasn’t worked.

In 2012, Gary Johnson ran as a libertarian.  He received 1,275,951 votes from some very wise people who rejected the party machines.

And despite others, the most notable was Ross Perot who got 8,085,294 votes in 1996, and 19,743,821 votes in 1992.

There are a couple important differences this time.

First, the nation, at high levels, is tired of both political parties.  A September 2014 Gallup poll revealed that the majority of Americans feel ditched and believe it’s time for something new.  Second and more importantly, in 2012, 1996, and 1992, Libertarian/Independent candidates were not only battling the establishments in both parties, they also had to contend with incumbents.  In 2016, it’s open on both ends of the political spectrum. There are no incumbents this time.

As much as the idea of Governor Palin (or another powerful conservative) running on the GOP ticket seems inspiring, to me it’s even more encouraging thinking about what a strong, powerful name could do by publicly rejecting "convention" and going at it alone.  It doesn’t even necessarily have to be Governor Palin.  I trust her and believe she truly seeks God’s guidance and listens to her family.  But seriously, it’s no secret what the GOP machine has in store for any constitutional conservative in the future, no matter how much the base approves of such a person.

We can’t expect government to change if we don’t change the corrupted, twisted process of how our leaders are selected.

Remember 2012 when Governor Palin called out the GOP for their inner-party cannibalism?  After Newt Gingrich won the South Carolina primary, the good old boys in the party decided that he had to be wiped out.  Every establishment guy (including Mike Huckabee) came out with bald faced lies and smears on the former House Speaker.  Additionally, Gingrich was outspent 17-1 in the Florida primary alone.  Governor Palin said:

But this whole thing isn’t really about Newt Gingrich vs. Mitt Romney. It is about the GOP establishment vs. the Tea Party grassroots and independent Americans who are sick of the politics of personal destruction used now by both parties’ operatives with a complicit media egging it on.

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I spoke up before the South Carolina primary to urge voters there to keep this primary going because I have great concern about the GOP establishment trying to anoint a candidate without the blessing of the grassroots and all the needed energy and resources we as commonsense constitutional conservatives could bring to the general election in order to defeat President Obama. Now, I respect Governor Romney and his success. But there are serious concerns about his record and whether as a politician he consistently applied conservative principles and how this impacts the agenda moving forward.

Since then, the GOP have only accelerated their cannibalistic ways.  They did it with Chris McDaniel in Mississippi as well as many others in the 2014 midterms.  And they’re doing it now.  As I noted above, they responded poorly to Governor Palin’s suggestion of true unity last week.  Additionally (and ironically) we now find out that even Mitt Romney who despite being first place in recent GOP polling was gobbled up as well by the party’s big money players who now seek to force Jeb Bush down our throats.  And as much as I hate to say it, the GOP establishment seems ready to ruthlessly mutilate any conservative challenger to Jeb Bush.

But just imagine if one strong person with high name recognition existed who could challenge this corrupt process of choosing presidential candidates.  One who could take the time and journey — perhaps by bus — to travel the country and talk to voters on the ground.  They’d be invariably chased around by the mainstream media while doing it.  They’d come with an already-well-cultivated following that includes millions upon millions of social media followers.  One should have a history of real reform as an executive.  One who has the courage and ability to sock it to both parties throughout the process in both the primaries and the general election when the candidates begin attacking one another through the politics of personal destruction instead of telling the people directly what they plan to do to put this nation back on the right track.  Such a person can call it out while talking about true energy independence, truly securing our nation’s borders, truly slashing the corporate tax rate, and truly bringing jobs and industries back to America.   Such a person can showcase and highlight America’s greatness of the past while carving out her brightest days that lie ahead.

It might sound like a dream, but something tells me it can be a reality.  The GOP has sold us out one too many times.  I turned in my Republican card a long time ago even though I will always respect what Governor Palin calls "the planks" in the party’s platform.  However, reality tells us that such planks are ignored by the few who control the entire party behind closed doors.  I believe the time has come for us and others to take their not-so-subtle hints and leave the party knowing that something greater awaits.

Yes, such a candidate so bold can not only bring forth this challenge.  I believe he or she can win.  But more importantly, such a person could potentially change the course of this disgusting game where career politicians stop at nothing to prostitute themselves shamelessly.


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A little mental exercise to kill time before the football game.
1 posted on 02/01/2015 11:47:41 AM PST by Bratch
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To: Bratch

Not now, but soon.


2 posted on 02/01/2015 11:49:29 AM PST by LouAvul (If government is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.)
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To: Bratch

One, because we conservatives are the huge minority in America today. When you divide the nation by the commies, dummies and illegals vs. the RINOs and the Conservatives, we are the minority and could not win a race for dog catcher against those two garbage groups. We are only group that has our minds on straight and we are the very, very few. Even fewer than the Marines say they are.


3 posted on 02/01/2015 11:49:45 AM PST by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: Bratch

A conservative party in a 3 way race is the only way out of this mess.


4 posted on 02/01/2015 11:51:01 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Bratch

Because a third party has never won a presidential election in the history of this country? The Republican Party was not a “third party” in 1860 as the Whigs had already disappeared.


5 posted on 02/01/2015 11:53:01 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: Bratch

There was talk in 2008 about a “Constitution Party” but it never got any traction.

The best we have been able to get is the Tea Party within the GOP.


6 posted on 02/01/2015 11:53:08 AM PST by freedumb2003 (AGW: Settled Science? If so, there would only be one model and it would agree with measurements)
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Why Not a Third Party, Independent Candidate?

I don't think a third party candidate has ever won a presidential election in the U.S. It would split right-leaning votes assuring a Dem victory.

7 posted on 02/01/2015 11:53:20 AM PST by Cry if I Wanna
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To: Bratch

Does not take much mental energy to know our nation with current Elite parties is in serious trouble. The only people who don’t seem to see it are the ones who feed the beast.
I voted Constitution pary in 2012 because I liked thier conservative platform. I am a history major and know that the current state of GOP is not much different from the WHIGS. The GOP ran as a third party in 1986 and lost but in 1860 they had a winner in Lincoln.
So I would support Palin if she ran independent someone needs to shock the GOP-E out of thier unworldly cocoon.
Freegards
LEX


8 posted on 02/01/2015 11:53:58 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Cry if I Wanna

You mean except for Lincoln.


9 posted on 02/01/2015 11:54:05 AM PST by hlmencken3 (“I paid for an argument, but you’re just contradicting!”)
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To: Bratch

foot ball game?

Third Party?

Ineffective sour grapes would be the result

most all of America is satisfied with forming coalitions under the umbrellas of two parties

political and philosophical differences are resolved under these umbrellas


10 posted on 02/01/2015 11:55:09 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Republican Party is a third party right now.

In as much as the parts of their base will not compromise on religious freedom, socialized medicine, securing the border, or homosexuality.

The party can not force that sector of the electorate to base order acknowledge their new agenda, hence the party has been non competitive for the last several election cycles.

11 posted on 02/01/2015 11:59:12 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Bratch

We need a third party to force the two Progressive parties to drop the facade. People need to stop thinking in the false Dem vs GOP paradigm because they are not enemies or even opponents. The only choice they provide is slavery by collectivism leading to globalism or slavery by globalism leading to collectivism.


12 posted on 02/01/2015 11:59:26 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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Why Not a Third Party, Independent Candidate?

I want a third party candidate to run.

I want Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to run and get over 90% of the black vote.- Tom

13 posted on 02/01/2015 12:00:34 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse U.S. citizens and Americans. They are not necessarily the same. -tom)
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To: Bratch

Well, the Clinton’s have already used that trick and it worked. I don’t see why it wouldn’t work for them again.


14 posted on 02/01/2015 12:01:00 PM PST by centurion316
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To: Bratch

Unless and until there is another revolution in this country the ruling elite and the DC establishment will never allow again anyone to sit in the WH that is not also a crony establishment criminal. They’ve come too far to sacrifice and lose what they’ve gained in eliminating the middle class, implementing stricter control over the people and resources and nationalizing the sovereignty of the US under the last four presidents.


15 posted on 02/01/2015 12:02:48 PM PST by drypowder
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To: Bratch

Because it would guarantee another Clinton presidency; see for example H. Ross Perot (the “H” presumably standing for “Hegomaniac”)


16 posted on 02/01/2015 12:02:57 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Because a third party has never won a presidential election in the history of this country? The Republican Party was not a “third party” in 1860 as the Whigs had already disappeared.

Correct...

I wish more people in general, especially Freepers understood this...

A third party is a rabbit hole to nowhere...

Conservatives CAN change DC, one congressman and election at a time...

But we need to get away from the purity positions...not a single candidate will have positions everyone likes...

I'd take 65 % of Walker, Pence, Kasich, Rubio over Hillary anyday...

Jeb Bush is a different story,

17 posted on 02/01/2015 12:02:57 PM PST by Popman (Christ: My Cornerstone...)
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To: Bratch

Why not have the NRA & Tea Party get together and stand up a CONSERVATIVE roster of candidates? At least then we would know where they stand on the issues. And, we would get to (correctly) refer to them as CENTRIST (for the low info voters that means they support & honor the Constitution which is the basis for our laws & culture, and therefore the CENTER of our society) and NOT let the media label us as “RIGHT WING”. Right Wing connotes a bunch of whackos and terrorists.


18 posted on 02/01/2015 12:05:49 PM PST by Thom Pain (If you like your country you can keep it. Period. REPEAL 17 !!)
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To: Bratch

No....just no.


19 posted on 02/01/2015 12:06:26 PM PST by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: Popman

“A third party is a rabbit hole to nowhere...”

Perhaps ...if it’s political power you seek. If you chose political representation you will vote for the candidate of your choice regardless of party. Only when the majority of voters do so will a representative republic be restored in America.


20 posted on 02/01/2015 12:10:33 PM PST by Justa
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