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While Rand Paul Seeks Donors, Ron Paul Talks Secession
The Texas Tribune ^ | January 25, 2015 | David A. Fahrenthold, The Washington Post

Posted on 01/30/2015 2:27:17 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

HOUSTON — Rand Paul wants to lead the United States. On Saturday in Texas, his father was speaking at a conference about how to leave it.

“A lot of times people think secession, they paint it as an absolute negative,” said former U.S. Rep. Ron Paul. After all, Paul said, the American Revolution was a kind of secession. “You mean we should have been obedient to the king forever? So it’s all in the way you look at it.”

This weekend was a crucial one for Rand Paul, the Republican senator from Kentucky and un­declared candidate for the presidency. He was in California, trying to line up donors at an opulent retreat organized by the billionaire Koch brothers.

At the same time, his father — retired after 12 terms in Congress and three presidential runs — was in the ballroom of an airport hotel here, the final speaker at “a one-day seminar in breaking away from the central state.” He followed a series of speakers who said that the U.S. economy and political establishment were tottering and that the best response might be for states, counties or even individuals to break away....

(Excerpt) Read more at texastribune.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: randpaul; ronpaul; secession; texas
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1 posted on 01/30/2015 2:27:17 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am with Ron Paul, maybe it is time to patch things up with the UK?

I like the way Prince William’s wife looks way better than Hillary.


2 posted on 01/30/2015 2:44:03 AM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ron Paul is right about Secession.


3 posted on 01/30/2015 3:03:33 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Daniel 2 Daniel 7 Daniel 9 Revelation 13 Revelation 16 Revelation 17 Revelation 18 Revelation 19)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

The nation is falling apart—Secessian is an option. If Texas leaves the Union—many states will follow. The USA will break into three or four nations. The experiment of 1776 will be lost for ever.


4 posted on 01/30/2015 3:43:10 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
The experiment of 1776 will be lost for ever.

The Experiment of 1776 only included 13 states. I say give any of those 13 who want to back to England back and have a peaceful parting of ways rather than another civil war.

5 posted on 01/30/2015 3:53:45 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Broken clock, blind hog.

Neither Paul nor Son Of Paul should ever be listened to.


6 posted on 01/30/2015 4:18:21 AM PST by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
the best response might be for states, counties or even individuals to break away....Agree with Ron Paul. Go Galt. Secede.
7 posted on 01/30/2015 4:26:11 AM PST by SisterK (its a spiritual war)
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To: Old Sarge

correcto...never ever listen to the old looney bird or his little boy......and stay faaaar away from their followers.


8 posted on 01/30/2015 4:34:58 AM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Old Sarge

DO NOT TRUST RAND (OR RON) PAUL!™


9 posted on 01/30/2015 5:14:39 AM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rand Paul wants to lead the United States.

Not in a million years. He's almost as kooky as his nut-job dad.

10 posted on 01/30/2015 5:21:22 AM PST by GoldenPup
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

It has already fallen apart. Can it be put back together?


11 posted on 01/30/2015 5:28:32 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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Rand Paul On Shutdown: "Even Though It Appeared I Was Participating In It, It Was A Dumb Idea"
I said throughout the whole battle that shutting down the government was a dumb idea. Even though it did appear as if I was participating in it, I said it was a dumb idea. And the reason I voted for it, though, is that it's a conundrum. Here's the conundrum. We have a $17 trillion debt and people at home tell me you can't give the president a blank check. We just can't keep raising the debt ceiling without conditions. So unconditionally raising the debt ceiling, nobody at home wants me to vote for that and I can't vote for that. But the conundrum is if I don't we do approach these deadlines. So there is an impasse. In 2011, though, we had this impasse and the president did negotiate. We got the sequester. If we were to extend the sequester from discretionary spending to all the entitlements we would actually fix our problem within a few years.
[Posted on 11/19/2013 12:16:51 PM by Third Person]
Rand Paul: Time for GOP to soften war stance
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
[Posted on 01/31/2013 5:08:50 PM PST by xzins]
Rand Paul's immigration speech
...The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.

Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.

Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.

Let's start that conversation by acknowledging we aren't going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you...

This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.

Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.
[Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg]
Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform
Latinos, should be a natural constituency for the party, Paul argued, but "Republicans have pushed them away with harsh rhetoric over immigration." ...he would create a bipartisan panel to determine how many visas should be granted for workers already in the United States and those who might follow... [and the buried lead] "Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers...
[Posted on 04/21/2013 1:52:42 PM PDT by SoConPubbie]
[but he's not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt's Generals: 'How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?'
Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt's military -- even as Cairo's security forces massacre anti-government activists. [by "anti-government activists" is meant church-burning Christian-murdering jihadists]
[Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat]

12 posted on 01/30/2015 7:12:17 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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13 posted on 01/30/2015 8:27:16 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: sickoflibs; GOPsterinMA; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj
Talking about secession? This is hugh! Rande is clearly series about running for President.


14 posted on 01/30/2015 1:29:37 PM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: Impy; GOPsterinMA; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj
RE:”Talking about secession? This is hugh! Rande is clearly series about running for President. “

Is that because Ron is scared what might happen if his boy Randy wins?

15 posted on 01/30/2015 1:32:32 PM PST by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: Impy

Amazing that Ron never got elected to the WH with ideas like this.


16 posted on 01/30/2015 1:33:42 PM PST by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: sickoflibs

A President Rande might be able to force Ron to take his medication, he can’t have that!


17 posted on 01/30/2015 1:35:21 PM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, they say it was “brother against brother” last time ...


18 posted on 01/30/2015 1:40:12 PM PST by x
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To: Sirius Lee

This is going to sound crazy, but now that Koch has decided on Walker/Rubio, about our best chance will be Cruz/Paul.


19 posted on 01/30/2015 1:45:35 PM PST by txhurl (RINOs: conservatives aren't electable yet they disguise themselves as conservatives to win.)
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To: sickoflibs; Impy; NFHale; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; stephenjohnbanker

I’d still take Rande over:

Mittens
Elmer Gantry, Jr.
Grimace from NJ
John the Shrub

My ideal candidate would be Mike Pence. Walker or Cruz are real close though.

The “good” vs. “suck” candidates are pretty easy to figure out.


20 posted on 01/30/2015 2:15:12 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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