Posted on 01/27/2015 9:03:53 AM PST by Salvation
And with that translation, they get a nice little curse upon themselves too....
The Presbyterians could have saved themselves a lot of time and work if they had just replaced the Bible with the Koran.
The Calvinistic Heritage of Dispensationalism
http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/calvinistic-heritage-of-dispensationalism
That’s what I was thinking ... lets see, we have Genesis 1-10 with parts of 11 up until Abram is introduced. If you want to go a little farther, you could go as far as Genesis 29 when Jacob’s kids are born and end the story there.
You could include Job.
You could include Proverbs for the most part.
You could potentially include Song of Solomon, but would need to retitle it.
Pretty much the rest of the Old Testament would be gone, and all of the new testament (almost all the characters, including Jesus being Jews)
Sadly, I left about three years ago. I had served multiple times as Elder, Deacon, Trustee, in choir and taught our Adult Bible Study for many years. I loved my church, and my congregation were for the most part good believing Christians who were blind to the evil of the PCUSA senior leadership. But the leadership’s views on funding abortion, support for the terrorist state, and ordination of unrepentant sinners (homos) was a violation of conscience that I could not bear. I am still without a church; it is hard to trust again after giving so many years, and giving up all of my deep friendships with fellow believers, some of whom I have known most of my life. All of the mainline protestant denominations seem to be moving in the same direction. I would join Orthodox or even Catholic church, but I live in a very isolated area and the commute would be too much.
My husband and I have not been in an organized church for the last 15 years. I have often times thought if we should have stayed and fought for the Truths the Lord was showing us...but what little we did share at the different churches we attended was not received well. We have been happy and at peace since we left the “church.” Our faith has deepened as we have taken the responsibility for our own spiritual growth through consistent study and prayer.
There is the admonition “Come out of her my people and touch not the unclean thing.”
You think I’m lying and I believe you ignorant of history. I have nothing to prove to you. I am trying to run a business and don’t have time to search out books I read decades ago or sermon I’ve listened to. Perhaps you would do well to study before accusing others of lying.
As I said, I did not make an absolute claim, but I know for sure that over the years many who have written on these matters have tied the early origins of dispensationalism to the work of Jesuit priest Francisco Ribera. Do a few Google searches and you’ll likely find it. You might also study the influence of Robert Bellarmine and Manuel Lacunza.
I’m sure you followed some different preacher who talked you out of it.
Understood!
you did the right thing to get out of Satan’s church.
Calvin would be spinning in his grave, but that’s the way it is now with PCUSA.
I can only say what I would try doing.
I would look around for any decent church ... i would not have to agree with all of its doctrines.... for instance, coming from a Calvinist perspective, I would consider the still-good-varieties of Lutheranism, Church of Nazarene, and a number of additional churches, including RCatholic. Again, the idea would be to find an honest church that tries to read the Bible, period, plus offers fellowship.
You can tell when a church is trying to do the right thing, any specific doctrines can (especially in a situation such as yours where your church of choice was hiacked away from God).... you can tell when a pastor (and the congregation) are trying to do right. I guess its called discernment. Every denomination has some distinctive doctrines and frankly a lot of them are not particularly important in Sunday prayer services, or maybe get included in one prayer or hymn... but anyway if it were me, I would just gently visit any decent-Bible-oriented church that invited or welcomed me... and just patiently (and charitably) sit through a couple Sundays (or Saturdays if that’s their thing) and see what I felt like...
yes we can pray in our closets. and we can pray alone.
but it is also good, methinks, to have other sincere people to pray with, sometimes anyway.
just my thought. its your choice and I know you are in a tough situation with PCUSA having gone bad.
Stay in touch?
Best,
fhc
At root this is an attitude adjustment. One might or might not have a better choice of congregations at hand. But one can certainly be a better congregant.
That is a good example of following scriptural instruction. However, Hebrews 10:24, 25 tell us we should congregate with fellow believers.
Hebrews 10:24, 25 (NIV) "And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching."
I humbly request that you pray about how to follow this scriptural instruction as well. I am in a good place in this regard, but I am sure praying about a whole lot of other things that I need help with.
Thanks for your reply, I really appreciate the support! I don’t need to agree with every doctrine, or interpretation in a new church- I could never find a church then :-) I do feel that God is calling me to do much for Him, so I would need to find a church where the Spirit seems to lead me, and to a purpose— and that hasn’t happened yet. My old church was very sincere and Bible believing, they did not believe the heretical doctrine adopted by PCUSA leadership- my fears are the same situation in a new church that appears good at the local church level. I have attended several churches, just don’t feel the call yet. In God’s time I suppose, not mine.
Ping
Presbyterian Church USA and Arab Palestinian Group Rewriting The Bible To Remove References To Israel
HAVE you heard that there is a new version of our Bible? But this version is unlike any prior version of God’s Word. This sinister new version has all references to Israel removed.
This new version blatantly changes God’s Word. Any mention of Israel – gone. Any mention of Jesus being a Jew – gone.
The movement which has brought the world a NEW bible, is called Palestinian Liberation Theology. At its heart is hatred for the Jewish people and for Israel. Of course, keeping in line with this hatred, the leaders of this satanic movement have changed Jesus (Yeshua) from being Jewish to being a Palestinian Arab.
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Check out article.
Thanks, Salvation.
” Sadly, I left about three years ago. I had served multiple times as Elder, Deacon, Trustee, in choir and taught our Adult Bible Study for many years. I loved my church, and my congregation were for the most part good believing Christians who were blind to the evil of the PCUSA senior leadership. But the leadership’s views on funding abortion, support for the terrorist state, and ordination of unrepentant sinners (homos) was a violation of conscience that I could not bear. I am still without a church; “
This is a doggone shame! How long before they start calling the Ten Commandments, the “Ten Suggestions” Political correctness/leftism is a cancer apparently spreading from one denomination to another. I’m not a Presby, but a number of our church members are former ones, and we meet in a HS auditorium.
I’m fine with this arrangement, as there are no arguments about infrastructure : )
That Old Testament is....well....you know....so OLD!
Some great teaching can be found on YouTube, some not so great. I like Chuck Missler among many others.
Just what America needs, another satanic cult.
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