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To: HiTech RedNeck

Nice try, but your own country can make anyone a citizen by statute. For instance, Congress COULD pass a law that confers citizenship on all French citizens born on a plane en route to the U.S. It’s an extreme example to prove this point: Citizens can obtain their citizenship based o. Statute, or based on DEFINITION. ALL that matters with regard to the term “natural born” is WHAT DID THAT PHRASE MEAN WHEN IT WAS USED AT THE TIME THE CONSTITUTION WAS ADOPTED.


42 posted on 01/24/2015 3:31:26 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: HMS Surprise

In a day when the Constitution is expected to be read through modern mores, that horse has fled the barn. There isn’t any “God” here to insist on a perpetual unchanged covenant. This is an agreement among men.

If Barack’s purported Hawaiian birth citizenship could fly (in spite of the loose way Hawaii did it at the time, which could be after the fact) then Cruz is in the side pocket and no law needs changing to make it so. It was so when he was born.


43 posted on 01/24/2015 3:36:11 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HMS Surprise

Meaning, that God is not called as a party to the agreement.


44 posted on 01/24/2015 3:39:49 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HMS Surprise
WHAT DID THAT PHRASE MEAN WHEN IT WAS USED AT THE TIME THE CONSTITUTION WAS ADOPTED?

Bravo! Exactly right. And, we know from the contemporaneous record what they intended:
That the commander-in-chief of our nation's armed forces should bear no allegiance or loyalty to any other nation by reason of birth.

We had just completed a bloody, painful struggle with England and the founders had no desire for a future commander with any possible allegiance to a European nation.

The fact they gave the legislature the authority to speak on future matters of citizenship should not be allowed to redefine their underlying qualification.

147 posted on 02/04/2015 8:29:44 AM PST by frog in a pot (Will their Long March end with the ballot box or with the federal judiciary?)
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