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Genuinely Bad News About the F-35 and the A-10 (Chickenhawk, No. 17)
The Atlantic ^ | January 22, 2015 | James Fallows

Posted on 01/23/2015 1:19:39 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

"The moral is to the physical as three is to one," Napoleon said about the elements of military strength. Two signs that would make Napoleon worry.

First, the background. Two military airplanes are getting a lot of attention: the A-10 "Warthog"—"Honey Badger" would be a better name—a kind of flying tank that has been crucial in "close air support" missions from the first Gulf War onwards; and the F-35 "Lightning II," a still-in-development multi-purpose airplane that has been plagued by technical problems, production delays, and cost overruns.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


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1 posted on 01/23/2015 1:19:39 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

We should get rid of one and build more of the other.

Only, NOT in the order proposed by the government.


2 posted on 01/23/2015 1:24:37 PM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: WayneS

Let’s get rid of a hammer because the design is “old”.


3 posted on 01/23/2015 1:25:29 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The US Military, at the highest levels, needs a nuclear, A#1, top shelf, industrial strength enema.


4 posted on 01/23/2015 1:26:19 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Life and death are but temporary states. But Freedom endures forever.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

How can describing the attributes of a forty year old airplane be ‘treason’? General Post needs to be promoted to ‘Retired’ as soon as is possible.


5 posted on 01/23/2015 1:26:21 PM PST by MeganC (You can ignore reality, but reality won't ignore you.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Recent improvements in F-35 reliability figures are due to changes in the way failures are counted and processed, but do not reflect any actual improvement, according to the latest report by the Pentagon’s Director Operational Test & Evaluation....

Three different types of data “massaging” are identified in the report: moving failures from one category to another, less important one; ignoring repetitive failures, thus inflating numbers of failure-free hours; and improper scoring of reliability. In all these instances, data reporting and processing rules were changed during the year for no other reason than to paint a more favorable picture.

How nice! Lying a$$holes.

6 posted on 01/23/2015 1:27:19 PM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’d rather have one A-10 and and one F-4 in my arsenal than two F-35s.


7 posted on 01/23/2015 1:30:14 PM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: WayneS
were changed during the year for no other reason than to paint a more favorable picture.

Holy biased article Batman! Really? The author interviewed the people that generate the metrics and asked why the change was made? I don't buy it. An F-35 recently did 17 sorties in one day. I am betting its reliability is nothing to worry about.
8 posted on 01/23/2015 1:30:43 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: MeganC

Yes. He should go back to making cereal.

Or was that Mills?


9 posted on 01/23/2015 1:30:54 PM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: WayneS

Really? Because a 5th generation fighter would shoot them both down without ever being seen.


10 posted on 01/23/2015 1:31:15 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The F-35 gave up much in comparison to other fighters in exchange for stealth. As the F-117 proved, stealthiness has a shelf life. The technology of the F-35’s stealth may be obsolete long before we’d ordinarily retire the plane. Radar networking and computer power are increasing geometrically. Those are the enemy of stealth. Also, newer sensors focused on heat signatures and acoustics are coming online. Hooking those in with networked radars and faster computers may leave us with an extremely expensive turkey that can’t fly without an escort. Won’t that be great for stealthiness?


11 posted on 01/23/2015 1:32:17 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I have not see a proposed aircraft that provides close air support as well as the A-10 does. If I was SecDef, I would ask people to explain why we should by an airplane for that mission that is anything other than a new-construction A-10 built to the old plans. In the absence of justification for buying something new, I would short-circuit the bloated procurement process and request the purchase of 80-100 Warthogs. That part of the Air Force exists to support our ground forces, not as some sort of jobs program for crony capitalists in key congressional districts.


12 posted on 01/23/2015 1:33:32 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Going to The Atlantic about military affairs is like going to Vogue about animal husbandry.


13 posted on 01/23/2015 1:34:30 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
You've just done the same thing the Left does when they discount anything from Fox News without even reading/seeing it.

Congratulations!

14 posted on 01/23/2015 1:35:57 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Offend a Christian and he is obliged to pray for you. Offend a Muslim and he is obliged to kill you.)
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To: TalonDJ

Okay.

And a Hummer is better than an old Jeep, but I still prefer the old Jeep.


15 posted on 01/23/2015 1:36:33 PM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: MrB
You clearly do not understand the role of the thoroughly modern F-35, which among other things, is to support our brave ground troops by falling on the enemy.

That is precisely why we must ditch the old-fashioned A-10 and redirect those resources into buying many, many F-35s. Future enemies will be demoralized, deterred even, by a rain of red hot Titanium parts.

16 posted on 01/23/2015 1:38:47 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Gay Muslim Marxist from Mombasa as POTUS? Sure! What could possibly go wrong?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Test pilots are calling the F-35 “The Flying Piano” because it is about as airworthy.


17 posted on 01/23/2015 1:41:37 PM PST by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

About that opening quote, I used the search engine whose name must not be mentioned, and saw it spelled “moral” as well as “morale”. I have no idea which is accurate, but the meaning is different.


18 posted on 01/23/2015 1:47:17 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That is flaming nonsense, pal, and you are flat out wrong. I read the article. There’s nothing new in it at all except for the opinion of one retired and irrelevant officer. And 9 out of ten articles in The Atlantic are by any measure, nothing but navel-gazing wastes of neurons devoted to proving how intellectually superior the author(s) is/are for being able to so passionately discuss nuances only the author is capable of discerning. It’s intellectual masturbation of zero importance.


19 posted on 01/23/2015 1:52:47 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Source?


20 posted on 01/23/2015 1:53:47 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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