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Homeschooled children seized by authorities still in state custody
one news now ^ | 1/20/15 | Michael F Haverluck

Posted on 01/22/2015 10:06:37 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

What began as an investigation ignited by an anonymous report turned into a nightmare for an Arkansas homeschooling couple and seven of their children last week – and it's not over yet.

Arkansas sheriff's deputies in Garland County have "stolen" seven homeschoolers from their parents in a home raid spurred by an anonymous caller who told authorities the family's house contained a "poisonous substance" — which turned out to be a mineral supplement/water purifier that isn't FDA-approved. It's been more than a week since the officers and the Department of Human Services (DHS) seized the seven homeschoolers. They remain in state custody.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: constitution; education; frhf; homeschooling; sixthamendment
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If true, someone in the sheriff's office needs to be fired.

Sixth amendment, anyone????

1 posted on 01/22/2015 10:06:37 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Homeschooling threatens the education establishment. They will do anything they can to eliminate homeschooling.


2 posted on 01/22/2015 10:09:02 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

We’re from the gubmint we here to hep.


3 posted on 01/22/2015 10:09:09 AM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

If they don’t have a warrant do not let them in. Period.

Nothing good will come of it.

L


4 posted on 01/22/2015 10:09:26 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: I want the USA back

The left knows that the majority who children who stay at home for schooling become top performers in college.
Public schools are the #1 enemy of America.


5 posted on 01/22/2015 10:16:16 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: SoFloFreeper

the citizens of that community need to storm that sheriff’s office/CPS and demand they return those children and the parents need to hire a good civil right attorney and sue the sh!t out of the county agents who were involved in taking them to include the loud mouth that caused the problem. Over a water purifier?? Excuse me for saying but this is crap!


6 posted on 01/22/2015 10:18:18 AM PST by drypowder
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To: SoFloFreeper

From the linked article,

“Several people showed up at our door, all obviously here for the investigation, and we welcomed them in,”

Never, ever do this. Establish that you know your rights from the start and let the CPS know you are notifying legal council. If I remember correctly absent an emergency order from the court you do not have to let them in. I think CPS brings law enforcement along to intimidate and give people the impression they have more authority than they do.


7 posted on 01/22/2015 10:18:51 AM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
spurred by an anonymous caller

So, anyone can claim anything against anybody and remain anonymous and no legal repercussions against them..............got it...................

8 posted on 01/22/2015 10:22:11 AM PST by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: SoFloFreeper

9 posted on 01/22/2015 10:24:21 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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To: Lurker

It seems they did have a warrant, which means some butthole bandit of a Judge took his head out of arse long enough to be bedeviled by a pack of lying jackals and issue it. Which speaks to a suspicion of collusion and corruption in my view.

The parents should have contacted an attorney the moment those felonious cretins appeared at their door.


10 posted on 01/22/2015 10:24:23 AM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Outrageous. They still have the kids- Unbelievable.

We're not in the U.S.A. anymore Dorothy.

11 posted on 01/22/2015 10:33:18 AM PST by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. unless if goDon't wait. Do it today.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Coincidence: the thread directly below this one on the main menu is headlined...We’re not in the United States anymore!


12 posted on 01/22/2015 10:37:51 AM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: SoFloFreeper
A story that plays into where we are now bears recitation. I’m working from memory here and some of the details may not be precisely correct but the take away message has stuck with me all these years.

In August, 1977, a small church in Louisville, Nebraska – Faith Baptist – was raided by armed agents of the state Department of Education for running a Christian school. The ostensible reason for the raid was that they were NOT adhering to the state “requirement” that ALL schools and teachers be “certified” by the state. A judge issued an order that the school be closed.

They remained open and the raid ensued. The teachers and 17 students children were terrorized as they were held at gunpoint on the floor. The pastor, one Everett Sileven, was arrested and held in jail for some time.

Public pressure forced his release and he began a crusade the effects of which are still felt today in the Christian and home school communities.

Here’s the take away message about which I have the clearest memory: Pastor Sileven appeared on a TV debate program to defend his church school. Also there was an official of the Nebraska Department of Education.

At one point, either the moderator or Pastor Siliven turned to the school bureaucrat and asked the real reason why the state had such a problem with their small church school?

Without missing a beat, through a sneer anyone who has visited the DMV will recognize, the bureaucrat declared (and I’m paraphrasing): “Because you are denying the state schools needed money. And because you are educating children outside the public school system, in the world we’re designing for the future, THEY WON’T FIT IN!”

Dwell on those last 4 words for a moment.

If you’re curious about just what that world they were designing might look like, LOOK AROUND.

You’re living in it!!

A short time later, we got pulled into the government school enforcement grinder. A TRUE STORY!

In 1978, my wife and I came to know a young woman named Patty. She was a devoutly religious young mother who'd become more devout when her husband and father of her two small sons aged 2 and 6 informed her that he was leaving. In dire economic straits, I offered to let her stay in our former home in Chamblee -- which was not rented at the time – rent-free until she got back on her feet. She had been clandestinely home schooling the 6 year old for about 2 years using very well done Christian course materials from an organization in Texas the name of which escapes me. The lad had recently been tested and had placed at least a year ABOVE his chronological age. As required by the government school authorities at the time, she dutifully apprised the authorities of his scores.

For reasons which would become clear in a moment, Patty had been harassed by the DeKalb County school authorities for about 6 months and, by the time she moved into the Chamblee house, had been -- unbeknownst to us -- ORDERED to put the 6 year old into the nearest government elementary school or suffer the consequences. Because she wanted the boys to be educated Christians, there was no way she was going to do that and she told them so.

At approximately 2 am one morning, a loud knock on the door announced the arrival of the aforementioned "consequences." Dressed only in a nightgown, she was confronted by several burly police officers who thrust an arrest warrant in her face. With the now awakened 6 year old watching and the 2 year old wailing in the other room, she was handcuffed and led out the door to jail. She was tossed into a large cell with a couple of hookers and a junkie who spent much of the rest of that morning vomiting in the corner.

The two young boys for whom the educational authorities professed such great concern were just left AT THE HOUSE -- ALONE! Patty was later told that the bureaucrats from Children Services who were SUPPOSED to accompany the cops were late and, in their haste to get this dangerous miscreant behind bars, the cops just missed the fact that the Children Services people were, well, missing. The CS folks showed up an hour later to find two terrified kids, one of whom had just seen his mother hauled off in cuffs.

Patty was ultimately brought to trial under the Georgia Truancy Statutes. Her pro-bono attorney tore the school authorities to shreds and hers has been called THE case that opened the floodgates to home schooling in Georgia. Once they had all the facts, the jury didn’t take long to acquit her. I’m proud to have played a small part in that.

At Patty’s trial, a previously overlooked aspect of the government schools was put into sharp focus for those paying attention: The Director of Instruction for DeKalb County testified that the then current 7 hour school day consisted of an average of approximately 3 hours or less of instruction. At that time, Patty was devoting 4 to 5 hours a day to direct instruction.

He also as much as admitted that the REAL reason they wanted ALL these kids in school was the $3,000.00 per kid per year they then got from the state and federal government. Empty seats = lost funds. As in most things, follow the money. Patty home schooled these two boys through high school.

And how did the boys turn out?

One is now a physician and the other a budding journalist.

But that now seems to be the norm for the growing legions of home schooled kids – which most likely explains why the NEA and the government school folks feel so threatened. Shortly after I wrote this, a home schooled child won the National Spelling Bee and the record is clear that home schooled kids generally perform better than those who are not.

Thomas Jefferson believed an EDUCATED PUBLIC to be the cornerstone of the system he and the other Founders TRIED to leave behind. He would NOT, I feel certain, be a big fan of the current government education system. If he returned today, he’d home school his children just as he did before.

13 posted on 01/22/2015 10:42:00 AM PST by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: Dick Bachert

Great story. Thanks for sharing it.

L


14 posted on 01/22/2015 10:48:22 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

TYVM! Be safe. Next 728 days will be pretty dicey!


15 posted on 01/22/2015 10:52:33 AM PST by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Homeschooling has progressed in size and scope since we did it 25 years ago. It’s moved into the mainstream of society and that is a serious threat to the hegemony of the ruling class and their mass indoctrination.

Make no mistake, we are heading in the direction of Germany in persecution of homeschoolers. The difference between there and here is we are still much more liberty oriented and still quite a few of us that do not worship at the teat of the government. And 90 million Americans are armed unlike the cowed population of that country.

I’m not convinced it will happen, but if the fascists fully arouse the sleeping American patriot, they will be very surprised at the result.


16 posted on 01/22/2015 10:54:57 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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To: Lurker

That’s for damn sure.
I used to handle CPS cases and I’ve literally never seen a situation where complying with the “authorities” ever paid off.
It’s a dangerous racket.
My wife and I home school here in Texas and we’ve been fine, but we are always vigilant and don’t take it for granted.


17 posted on 01/22/2015 10:56:40 AM PST by Clump (I'd rather die with my boots on than live wearing a pair of knee pads.)
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To: drypowder

Not just storm the sheriff’s office but anything they brought into evidence should be thrown out because the deputy who made the call was there at the home.


18 posted on 01/22/2015 11:42:51 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: SoFloFreeper

This is not about home schooling or MMS. This is about every little white kid is worth $25,000 in kick back from new parents to the State. It’s call WHITE SLAVERY!


19 posted on 01/22/2015 12:36:08 PM PST by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!.)
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To: metmom

ping Homeschool


20 posted on 01/22/2015 12:37:36 PM PST by easternsky
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